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Is there any non-Biblical reason to support Israel?

2012-02-06T18:12:14-06:00

I’ll be the first to say that I’m not as educated on Middle East politics as I should be. With that said, I’ve spent a fair amount of time lately trying to form my own informed opinion about what’s happening in the Middle East….who the players are…..what the contexts are…..what the allegations are…...and who is doing what.

As I’m going through this information, it seems to me that a great deal of the criticism that’s leveled at Israel is indeed warranted.

Obviously, it begs the question: if we leave aside the notion that Israel is “God’s chosen people” or that God somehow like the Jews more than everyone else…..

....are there any non-Biblical or non-theological reasons why we should support Israel’s actions?

As a corollary to that question, we’re approaching a situation in which we might need to revisit the seriousness of our support of Israel.

If they are, indeed, planning to attack Iran’s nuclear facilities, it puts us in a very serious situation.

Pravda says that if and when Israel and the US attack Iran…...China will defend Iran, and that Russia will likely take sides with China to militarily create an anti-US/Israel alliance.

Anyone want to defend an attack on Iran by the US? Anyone want to defend an attack on Iran by Israel?

Thoughts?

http://english.pravda.ru/hotspots/conflicts/10-01-2012/120194-world_war_three-0/

The U.S. is becoming a police state

2011-06-07T19:48:55-06:00

Consider this news story from Miami today: http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/06/07/florida.shooting.witness/

The video starts while several officers are surrounding a vehicle. The person in the car had been driving erratically and was pulled over. There’s no indication yet that the suspect fired at police….but they fired over 100 rounds into the car.

The person filming this on his cellphone was spotted by one of the officers who followed him to his car demanding the videophone. He put a gun to the person’s head, took his phone and his wife’s phone and smashed them both on the sidewalk. The only reason the video exists is because the guy had the foresight to slip the memory card into his mouth before he turned over his telephone to the police.

People say this stuff can’t happen in America….it already DOES happen.

It will only be a matter of time before people like you and I cannot even discuss this online. Mark my words. Print this out and put it on a bulletin board.

Tony

What Do You Think Of TX Gov. Rick Perry’s Presidential Campaign?

2011-08-18T13:48:36-06:00

What do you think about TX Governor Rick Perry’s chances of becoming President? I like that he is pro-life, but otherwise, don’t know much about him. I’m reading his official campaign site now.

http://www.rickperry.org/

They can’t handle the truth

2012-01-25T11:40:33-06:00

Politicians can’t help lying.

I just saw one ad claiming that our dependence on foreign oil has decreased by 50%. If the demand for foreign oil had gone down by 50%, it would be plentiful and cheaper rather than up 20 cents per gallon in the last month. They think we’re too stupid to understand the basics of supply and demand.

How does politicians avoid taxes?

2012-01-18T13:00:10-06:00

In the news it is reported that Presidential Candidate Romney paid income tax at the 15% mark last year. How does politicians (not just Romney but all the others) avoid paying tax on all their income. I don’t know exactly what the dollar amount is on the tax brackets but 15% is the lowest bracket and I think it is less than $30,000 net income. I would like to know exactly what one must do to avoid paying taxes, does anyone know?

Abortion: The Hot Button

2011-12-29T19:44:53-06:00

It’s campaign time again and a lot of people are trying to figure out which Republican candidate they like best.

As usual, many people (including Christians) seem to make their decision entirely on the issue of abortion. Who is in favor of abortion? Who is opposed?

Personally, I’m opposed to abortion…but, at the same time, I don’t understand why it’s such a hot-button for people trying to decide between candidates.

Here’s why: the legality of abortion has been decided by the Supreme Court.

A. The President has no Constitutional power to overturn a Supreme Court ruling (despite, by the way, what Perry seems to think in his recent comments about prayer in schools). It cannot legally be done.

B. I’m not aware of any pending legislation in Congress that changes anything about abortion.

In other words, if you look back at that last 20 years of elections, many Americans vote based on “what is this candidate’s view on abortion”. And yet, no matter who gets elected, the laws about abortion stay the same.

Why? Because it’s a settled issue. Whether a Presidential candidate approves or disapproves of abortion has nothing to do with anything. It’s a moot point.

That’s my perspective anyway. Can anyone else explain to me why “a candidate’s position on abortion” is a relevant topic?

Tony

Political Correctness

2011-10-24T20:09:41-06:00

This thread is being started from a discussion that began in another thread.

Ron Paul on Israel

2012-01-01T20:13:29-06:00

There have been some unsubstantiated rumors lately about Ron Paul’s feelings about Israel and our relationship with them.

One of the things that I appreciate about Ron Paul is his willingness to offer a candid and detailed response to questions. He doesn’t seem to reach for the political, wishy-washy answers that don’t actually say anything.

If you’re interested in Ron Paul’s position on Israel, here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFZpL8F4FgU

Transcript:

Ron Paul: Believe it or not, like you mentioned, there’s a bit of discussion in Israel on some of these issues than there is here in America, because it’s sort of dictated by one group. Maybe it’s because groups like that won’t invite me to their forums to debate some of these issues.

Jack Hunter: Hi, my name is Jack Hunter, I’m here with Republican presidential contender, Ron Paul. It’s good to be with you today, Ron.

Ron Paul: Thanks, Jack, it’s good to be with you.

Jack Hunter: One of the reasons for sitting here today, a group, “The Republicans Jewish Coalition”, has decided they’re having a forum this evening with all of the presidential candidates, except you. Now, why would that be?

Ron Paul: Well, I guess I can’t really totally answer that since they made the decision, but it does raise some questions. I was disappointed I couldn’t go because I’m on the Foreign Affairs Committee in the Congress and I’m very interested in foreign policy. I’ve spoken out about the policies in the Middle East and the wars going on and the military-industrial complex. So I have views, but they are different than the other candidates, so my guess is that my views weren’t welcome. But what about this whole idea of having a discussion? Why shouldn’t a view that is different not be permissible, why shouldn’t it be welcomed? So I was disappointed, so I welcome this opportunity to further explain my position on foreign policy.

Jack Hunter: There was a time in the 1980s when you strongly disagreed with President Reagan and your party; it was when Israel attacked a nuclear reactor in 1981. Almost the entire U.S. Congress voted to condemn that act, and you were one of the few Republicans who stood up and said, “Israel should not have to answer to America for how she defends herself, why shouldn’t defend be allowed to defend herself in any way she sees fit without listening to the dictates of the United States?”

Ron Paul: I remember that vote very clearly, because I was criticized. The spirit of the moment was, we have to condemn them for doing this because it was a violation of the sovereignty of Iraq and this sort of thing. So to me it was Israel’s business, so I was voting for their independence. And I think this is a big difference in the way I look at Israel. I think Israel should be treated as an independent nation and not a puppet of our state, because right now what they have is they depend on us for military and they depend on us for money; and if they want to have a peace treaty, they have to ask us; if they want to defend their borders, they have to get permission. But I think what some people fail to understand is, Zionism is based on two basic principles: independence and self-reliance. So those are two very important issues. I think it was interesting just a few months ago when Netanyahu was speaking before the Congress, he said, very boldly that Israel can defend themselve and Israel does not need American troops to defend their country. He did not expect American troops. Does that mean we shouldn’t be friends with Israel? No, we should treat them as our best friend, we should be trading with them and going back and forth and facilitate friendship, which we do. But that doesn’t mean that we should take over their country. I think they sacrifice too much, and besides, just think of all the money that we have spent trying to buy friendship. The best example would be Egypt. We’ve given Egypt over the years 40 billion dollars so they won’t attack Israel. And I guess some people say, “Well, that was a good investment”, but how did it end up? It ended up with the people turning against Mubarak, and now they have a government in power that is more Islamic radical and they’re less friendly to Israel.

Jack Hunter: President Obama has talked about Resolution 242 and Israel pretty much telling them they have to go back to their 1967 borders. Your thoughts on President Obama’s dictate?

Ron Paul: Well, being a non-interventionist, I believe that we shouldn’t tell Israel what to do, they should decide where the borders are. And I think it’s wrong, I certainly wouldn’t dictate to Israel where their borders should be, and they should work it out with their neighbors.

Jack Hunter: You supported Israel in 1981 when they attacked an Iraqi nuclear reactor, do you support today the right of Israel to attack Iran, Iraq or any other nation in its defense?

Ron Paul: Yea, I think if conditions are very similar and if they believe it’s in their national security interests, that should be their decision, and not ours. (cont’d)

War On Christianity

2011-12-08T21:23:27-06:00

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/12/08/rick-perry-president-obama-and-war-on-christianity/

I believe that there is a war on Christianity. The examples mentioned in the article show how far down the wide road to a “considerably lower and warmer jurisdiction” our country has traveled. I agree with the author of this article on all points.

What do you think about this?

New Bill Passed By The Senate Unravels The Bill of Rights

2011-12-02T23:54:07-06:00

In a stunning move that has civil libertarians stuttering with disbelief, the U.S.Senate has just passed a bill that effectively ends the Bill of Rights in America.

This bill, passed late last night in a 93-7 vote, declares the entire USA to be a “battleground” upon which U.S. military forces can operate with impunity, overriding Posse Comitatus and granting the military the unchecked power to arrest, detain, interrogate and even assassinate U.S. citizens with impunity.

It’s being called the most traitorous act ever witnessed in the Senate, and the language of the bill is cleverly designed to make you think it doesn’t apply to Americans, but toward the end of the bill it essentially says it can apply to Americans “if we want it to.”

Even WIRED magazine was outraged at this bill, reporting:

...the detention mandate to use indefinite military detention in terrorism cases isn’t limited to foreigners. It’s confusing, because two different sections of the bill seem to contradict each other, but in the judgment of the Universityof Texas’ Robert Chesney — a nonpartisan authority on military detention — “U.S.citizens are included in the grant of detention authority.”
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/12/senate-military-detention/

The passage of this law is nothing less than an outright declaration of WAR against the American People by the military-connected power elite. If this is signed into law, it will shred the remaining tenants of the Bill of Rights and unleash upon America a total military dictatorship, complete with secret arrests, secret prisons, unlawful interrogations, indefinite detainment without ever being charged with a crime, the torture of Americans and even the “legitimate assassination” of U.S. citizens on right here on American soil!

If you have not yet woken up to the reality of the police state we’ve been warning you about, I hope you realize we are fast running out of time. Once this becomes law, you have no rights whatsoever in America—no due process, no First Amendment speech rights, no right to remain silent, nothing.

Read the red alert warning on this urgent development at:
http://www.naturalnews.com/034291_SB_1867_war_on_terror.html

... and watch this urgent interview with Alex Jones of InfoWars.com at:
http://www.infowars.com/stewart-rhodes-crossroads-ndaa-bill-is-pure-treason/

The mainstream media is engaged in a shameful and conspiratorial news blackout of this entire issue:
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-medias-blackout-of-the-national-defense-authorization-act-is-shameful-2011-12

... and even the ACLU is outraged about this potential law:
http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/senate-rejects-amendment-banning-indefinite-detention

Are you getting all this? Do you realize Americais about to be overrun by our own military?

The rule of law is about to be utterly destroyed. No due process. No legal representation. Not even a right to know what you’re being charged with when you are (indefinitely) detained.

This is an urgent time for action to protest the overreaching military police state in America. Immediately call your representatives in Washington and urge your House members to reject this bill in the reconciliation phase with the Senate. Call the office of the President and urge Obama to veto this bill if it is passed by both houses.

Call your local newspapers and protest this outrageous and traitorous attempt to nullify the entire Bill of Rights.

Do not be fooled by the trolls and disinfo agents who claim this bill does not apply to U.S. citizens—a fact which has already been established without question. If this is signed into law, military humvees will roll down the streets in U.S. cities, with gunpoint checkpoints, illegal arrests, secret torture operations and the outright murder of U.S. citizens right in their own home towns.

In observing all this, you might ask WHY is this happening right now? Why would the U.S. Senate deliberately nullify the Bill of Rights and seek the authorize military action on the streets of U.S. cities?

The answer, my friends, will not comfort you: A global economic collapse is coming, and once started, it will likely unleash a wave of social unrest and rioting that could burn many U.S. cities to the ground. The U.S. Senate is probably trying to rush authorization of the military to operate in American cities before the economic collapse arrives, thereby placing troops deep within the roughest U.S. cities where they stand a chance at halting the runaway riots that are sure to materialize when peoples’ life savings vanish as the banks collapse.

Keep reading NaturalNews.com for updates on this situation. We will continue to cover the Eurozone economic crisis as well as this Senate bill 1867, which is not yet law. Our last-ditch hope would be for Obama to veto it. We’ll issue a red alert if that action is needed…

And remember, folks, the Bill of Rights protects us all—liberals, conservatives, libertarians, agnostics, Christians, Jews, everybody!

If you lose the Bill of Rights, you lose America and all the freedoms many generations have fought for. Right now protecting the Bill of Rights is perhaps the single most important thing we can do for our collective futures.

All of us who have been screaming about the importance of the U.S. Constitution have been trying to protect YOU from exactly this kind of scenario. The whole purpose of the Bill of Rights is to limit the power of government so that this kind of Senate action is never allowed.