
Monthly Articles02 Jun 2009
A Thorn By Any Other Name
![]() We’re all familiar with the famous quote, “A rose by any other name would smell as sweet.” It originated in the play “Romeo and Juliet,” written by William Shakespeare. Reader Comments
Obviously we all are southen gospel music fans with varied taste within this wonderful style of music. One could be offended by statements of "your are showing your age" though. When I consider this is a young person speaking [as I once thought anyone past 30 was old] we take that all in stride.
Most of us who comment on these sites are fans and participants of SGM with a very wide age variation. Because of the age differences, our taste will naturally cover a whole lot of territory. What kind of SGM is correct? That depends on each individual's perception. I like traditional smooth harmony, dress alike, SG. Does that make me an ancient dinasour? I don't think so, and I resent being catagorized as being in that box. Each one of us will attend SGM concerts that will include live bands, tracks, people dressed in suits, dressed in sweats, etc. but the bottom line needs to be -- AN ACCEPTANCE/APPRECIATION OF THE MESSAGE OF JESUS CHRIST! I'm so glad that we all still have the privilage to be differnt in our varied forms of SGM. Let us be respectful of one another.
Commented by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) On 06/06/2009
I'd like to add(strictly for the sake of discussion)... Is it possible that quartets were created BY THE PUBLISHING COMPANIES that published the songbooks that were originally the impetus behind the gospel music industry in the Southeast United States because the music in them was written for four-part vocal groups(i.e. quartets)? In those SONGbooks there are no charts for guitars, basses, violins(aka "fiddles" to some), or drums. Was this because those publishers had an aversion to instruments? Maybe some of them did, I don't know. But I submit they wrote those arrangements because that was the style of music they wanted them presented in. Susan is correct...there was no such thing as "southern gospel" when that genre was birthed. In fact, that term did not exist as an official(or quasi-official)designation for the music until the 1980s. Prior to that, the genre that arose from the Southeast in the early 20th century was usually referred to as "gospel music"...and what is so imprecise about that name? As the Gospel Music Channel promos point out, ALL the styles of music used in the general field of gospel music are valid..."...it's all good, it's all gospel." And Nick is not for one moment suggesting otherwise in his article. He is simply concerned that the music that has come to be known as "southern gospel"(whose roots I described above)does not lose its' identity in the midst of all this syncretistic stylistic amalgamation that is taking place nowadays. I am, too...and that's why I appreciated Nick's article. I also appreciate the point of Matt Felts' response to it, although I think his observations are largely beside Mick's point. Surely there can be something for everybody that wants to hear good Christian music...to paraphrase Paul Baker's book of years ago, there's no reason the devil should have it all! I just hope we can stop being so obsessed with "The Name Game" that Nick describes.
Morning glory and evening grace, Giving the world a smile each day,
Commented by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) On 06/06/2009
Sorry, MD, but I can't resist...Have you seen the new Ford Sport Trac or the older Ford Explorers? They are Ford SUV's which also convert into pick up trucks for the people who want both. Ford also makes sports cars, vans, etc., to reach all of their customers with something they may like. Oh, and they are all under the name Ford. That is how SG music is. There are plenty of quartets out there, doing the same thing that was done with the Stamps and Statesmen, back in the 50's and 60's. They are the pick up trucks you spoke of that do not change much in style. They keep the basics going for the people who still want the pick up. However, Ford is wise enough to see that there are younger people coming up, who didn't grow up when the Ford pick up was first produced. Even though some of those young people may still love and want a pick up, Ford sees that there are others who also enjoy the look and feel of an SUV, which they also produce. Then, someone at Ford said, "Why can't we just all get along? Our whole company doesn't have to be pick ups. We don't have to criticize every other vehicle or SUV that doesn't look or feel like a pick up. We see good in both. We could probably make much more money if we produced many different styles, and even let some styles be a combination of both pick ups and SUV. Then, instead of alienating our other customers, or trying to make them all like or fit into a pick up, we can provide product to fit everyone's taste. Now it would be of no benefit for Ford to say, "Our SUV's do not wear suits and ties...er, uh... have the sleek style of the long bed pick ups. They just don't look right, so let's tell the world about that and shoot ourselves in the foot. Let's show them how we, a part of our own company, do not like or appreciate those SUV's, and try to discourage other people from listening to...er, uh...accepting them. Let's be so narrow in our opinions that we want to show outsiders just how wrong our own production team is for even designing or thinking about actually promoting something as different from a truck as an SUV. For Pete's sake, please don't even think about acting like you like those conversion things that can have such variety that they can sing both...er, uh...be both a pick up and an SUV. Who in the world would want to come up with something like that to reach a wider age range/fan base...er, uh...customer for our Ford products and possibly get our message...er, uh...product out to many more people and even increase our capital and popularity???" Hmmmm...
Commented by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) On 06/06/2009
Concerning the "name game" I have dealt with "up and coming" artists like that. They recorded a new song by "so and so", their new project was produced by "so and so", "so and so" sang backup on their new project. It might have been excitement over these people being involved, I don't know. To me it sort of reeked of name dropping.
Commented by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) On 06/06/2009
I can agree with points on both sides regarding the other things. I will make a few comments now. First, SG (or gospel music) HAS changed since it started. Some like the old fashioned style of the fifties or before. I prefer the late sixties to present for the most part. Even then, it depends. The Oaks came into their own starting the late sixties. I prefer that HeartWarming stuff and later Columbia etc. to the Skylite stuff and the first few albums on HeartWarming. One of my favorite times of the Stamps was the late sixties to the early to mid seventies. That HeartWarming stuff had some great stuff on it as did the Oaks. I prefer the Cathedrals stuff starting in the eighties for the most part. I do like some prior in each of these groups though. Gold City has had great stuff from the eighties on. The Singing Americans had some great stuff with Funderburk, Parker, English and Strickland at different times. The Sound's first album was really good. The Gaither Vocal Band has gone from more white bread music in the beginning to contemporary, to inspirational, to SG, to country and all over the map.
The Cathedrals did use country instrumentation. Most, if not all of the Goin' In Style album had a more country flavor. They had selected songs elsewhere. The point is, music evolves (for the most part.) Country and rock are different now than they were in the sixties. So is SG. That isn't to say we should totally rework it, redefine it or push out the traditional, but there is room for all I think. Yes, I realize that in ways it waters it down, but in other ways it can get more people to listen if you offer more flavors. I think having progressive and other labels can help let you know which flavor you are getting. Otherwise someone might hear the Cathedrals and say I love SG. Then they hear the Inspirations or McKameys and wonder what happened. The latter two are way different. the Isaacs appeal to a different group mostly than the Cathedrals or Gold City. I remember reading from a promoter who said putting certain groups together worked better than others just for that reason.
Commented by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) On 06/06/2009
As far as the dress issue, that has gone around for a long time too. The Oaks, Imperials, even Cathedrals and others dressed in different styles. The Cathedrals not so much, but some. The Cathedrals didn't always dress in suits either, but it didn't affect their singing at all. Now, I don't like some of the styles today. The droopy pants is totally stupid. Not as much for style as it is in function. I certainly don't want that in SG, but even if there are other styles I don't particularly care for, what is the harm? They sing the same. If they are modest, who cares?
Commented by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) On 06/06/2009
Dear Fireproofed..(nice name)
Nice reply also.. However, I don't think your point is well taken because Ford is STILL PRODUCING the BASIC pick up trucks. The fact that they are broadening their appeal to another market has not affected the fact that they are still making the same kind of pick up truck they've been making for decades. WHY? Because there is STILL a customer base of regular pick up truck buyers, that's why! Your analogy would be an accurate portrayal of what Nick is concerned about if you were to say that because Ford decided to make products like the Sport Trac and SUV's they stopped making the standard pick up truck. He doesn't have a problem with Sport Trac's and SUV's... does he? No. He has a problem with a car salesman trying to tell you that an SUV is a PICK UP TRUCK. If Ford took this approach, eventually, they would stop making pick up trucks. They would tell their audience.. "This SUV is almost exactly like your pick up truck". And truth is, even though they're old fashioned-ish, and been around for decades.. LOTS OF PEOPLE STILL WANT TO BUY PICK UP TRUCKS. LOTS OF PEOPLE STILL WANT TO HEAR THE KIND OF MUSIC THAT PEOPLE IDENTIFY AS SGM. We can split hairs over what is and what isn't SGM. But people know what you're talking about when you say those words. It's wonderful.. exciting.. amazing... spectacular... stupendous.. to think that OTHER KINDS OF MUSIC are drawing people to Christianity.. to Christ.. to Church.... HOORAY! and HALLELJAH! But some people, like Nick, still like the old "pick up" truck called Southen Gospel. Nick is concerned that because OTHER FORMS of music are being IDENTIFIED as Southern Gospel (or Gospel Music as the music historian John pointed out) when they are NOT SGM.. that eventually SGM will be lost from the music scene. AM I THE ONLY ONE GETTING HIS POINT??? He is not saying: YOUNG PEOPLE SHOULD BE IGNORED or NOTHING SHOULD EVER CHANGE. He is saying... SGM is a unique form of music. Let's not lose it. And by the way.. I think it is extremely disrespectful for any young person to take a shot at an older person's age. extremely.
Commented by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) On 06/06/2009
"That is how SG music is. There are plenty of quartets out there, doing the same thing that was done with the Stamps and Statesmen, back in the 50's and 60's. They are the pick up trucks you spoke of that do not change much in style. They keep the basics going for the people who still want the pick up. However, Ford is wise enough to see that there are younger people coming up, who didn't grow up when the Ford pick up was first produced. Even though some of those young people may still love and want a pick up, Ford sees that there are others who also enjoy the look and feel of an SUV, which they also produce. Then, someone at Ford said, "Why can't we just all get along? Our whole company doesn't have to be pick ups. We don't have to criticize every other vehicle or SUV that doesn't look or feel like a pick up. We see good in both. We could probably make much more money if we produced many different styles, and even let some styles be a combination of both pick ups and SUV. Then, instead of alienating our other customers, or trying to make them all like or fit into a pick up, we can provide product to fit everyone's taste." I'm still not sure where you got that I was "extremely disrespectful to any young person to take a shot at an older person's age. extremely." If you had read my previous comments, you would know that I am well over 50 and NOT a young person, but thanks for the compliment. I don't recall disrespecting anyone.
Commented by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) On 06/06/2009
You have a choice between different truck models (styles) such as the F150, F250, F350, the Ford Ranger, and more (I won't even say that Ford includes Vans in their truck lineup). Now Ford didn't start with all these models and options but he saw that to give the public what they wanted he needed to offer more options. What a smart business man. He didn't stop making the truck he just started keeping up with the times and offering more options. Now there are those who would still say, give me that original 1949 pickup truck, because I don't want all these new-fangled contraptions on my perfectly useable, original 1949 model. But guess what? It isn't 1949 anymore and Ford can't stay in business by only offering the 1949 model. Let's take the rose/thorn analogy that Nick introduced. Would it surprise you to know that there are more than 1 rose breeds/styles? Yes, there is more than just that original red rose. Rose breeders still come up with new styles even today. The world is offered more options for roses than that simple beautiful red rose that most people associate with the word. So, yes a rose is still a rose, but you get to choose your style, whether it be a Tea rose, a Floribunda rose, or a David Austin rose, you still get a rose. Take your pick. As long as there is southern gospel there will be choices as well, whether it be traditional 4-part quartet style, or a little bit country or a little bluegrass or a little mountain. It's still southern gospel music. And I for one say, "Thank you Jesus!"
Susan Unthank
Commented by Susan Unthank On 06/06/2009
Fireproofed,
Sorry, I wasn't referring to you being disrespectful... though I didn't make that clear. I did re-read your reply. Again, I don't think there is a problem in anyone's mind - including Nick's - with people performing and/or enjoying a wide variety of music. I think that's what your post is trying to infer. He isn't saying anything MORE than - let's be sure we don't blur the lines SO MUCH that we LOSE SGM all together. Let's not CALL something SGM that isn't SGM? Isn't he? Baseball isn't softball, softball isn't basketball and basketball isn't tennis. The baseball commissioner doesn't try to convince people that softball is baseball.....though they are similar. If every baseball game started to include softball.. then eventually it would all be softball.. and baseball would disappear. OK.. I've said it 97 different ways. I've always been someone who finds it perplexing when people don't get someone else's obvious point.
Commented by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) On 06/06/2009
|
About This Article
A Thorn By Any Other Name
Favorited by: • Nick Bruno (What's an RSS feed?) Recent FeaturesArchives |
|