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The Southern Gospel “Screaming” Industry

Since school is almost over for this year, I thought it might be educational to keep our minds sharp and focused over the summer months. Remember back in grade school when our teacher would require us to learn the spelling and dictionary meaning of a few words? Then we would have to use those words in a sentence? I've chosen three words and I've used them in a sentence. The words and their meanings follow:

Sing to use the voice to produce words or sounds in a pleasing musical way.

Scream to utter a loud piercing, high-pitched cry, especially in fear or pain.

Disgusting tending to repel and sicken people; completely unacceptable or disgraceful.

Using those words in a sentence – I think it's DISGUSTING that so many of our Southern Gospel Artists SCREAM their songs instead of SINGING them.

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We've had discussions in the past about changing the name of this industry we call Southern Gospel Music. It's all been just discussion. But now I sincerely believe it's time to actually do it. In fairness to the consumers and in the interest of abiding by the Federal Full Disclosure Act, we should call ourselves “The Southern Gospel Screaming Industry.” In reality, if we renamed our industry “The Southern Gospel Screaming Soiled and Wrinkled Industry”, it would be a more accurate reflection of the sad state of affairs in the world of SGM.

The catalyst for my campaign toward a name change is that I was able to get out of the office and attend some concerts this month. I must tell you that I owe my ears an apology, and I hope my eyes don't file a lawsuit against me. I apologize to myself for putting myself through it. Much of what I heard was not “Music” and what I saw was not “pleasing to the eye”.

What I heard and saw this month gave me a “pit” in my stomach – group after group screaming at the top of their lungs from beginning to end. I saw red-faced men with veins bulging in their necks, bending over and singing to the floor. I saw ladies with looks of agony on their faces that would certainly rival anything you might see in the labor and delivery section of the maternity ward in your local hospital.

Keeping in mind that our ultimate goal in this endeavor we call Southern Gospel Music is to win the lost; I find it difficult to believe that any unbeliever would be drawn to the foot of the Cross by what I saw.

I left those concerts thinking, “How in the world did we get to this”? Based on what I heard, it is no wonder that our sales and attendance are down, and the Southern Gospel “Screaming” Industry is dead last in every category.

Before you send me your emails of protest I qualify that by saying that it's true that we do have quality artists that are as good at singing as anyone in any genre of music, but sadly, they are fast becoming the minority. Our industry has been overtaken by a new breed of “screamers” that couldn't sing their way out of a wet paper bag, even if you cut a hole in the top.

“IN STYLE” DOESN'T MEAN “INCONSIDERATE”

I was at an awards ceremony recently and saw a SG artist accept an award in an outfit that looked like he just finished changing the oil on the bus. I'm talking about filthy jeans, a wrinkled shirt, and hair that looked like the artist used a hand grenade instead of a comb. I'm not talking from the standpoint of a seasoned old-timer who is criticizing younger styles. I understand that the younger artists dress “young”. There's nothing wrong with being “in style”. I'm talking about artists who are so arrogant about their appearance that they don't feel the need to honor the audience members who took time out of their own busy lives to come to a concert. If I invited you to my home for dinner and when you arrived, I opened the door and hadn't even bothered to clean up and make myself presentable, I'm sure you would feel less than honored as a guest in my home. Artists need to remember that the audience is there because they were INVITED to be there, just like when you invite someone to your home for dinner. They need to be treated as the honored guests they actually are. It scares me that this seems to be the current trend – artists who look like homeless derelicts singing the Gospel of our Saviour. Even to identify them by using the word “artist” is an insult to those who truly are.

WHERE IS OUR PRIDE? WHERE IS OUR DIGNITY?

Our mission is to sing the Gospel in song, to minister and entertain, and through that, win the lost. Philippians 3:14 says, “I press toward the mark for the prize of the HIGH CALLING of God in Christ Jesus”. Ours IS a high calling and I believe we have lost sight of that and taken our eyes off the prize. In last month's column I took the time to answer some of your questions. This month, I've got questions of my own. Maybe you can answer them.

Does it bother you when an artist or group goes on stage in dirty wrinkled clothes? Does it offend you?

  1. Have you attended a concert where the screaming was so bad you could not understand the lyrics?
  2. Do you like it when a singer screams?
  3. Do you think that the words “pride” and “dignity” matter at all anymore?
  4. Do you feel that the SG music industry treats its audience with the respect it should?
  5. As a consumer, do you ever think about complaining to the record companies who are foisting these artists upon us and ruining our industry so they can make a buck? If not, why not?

As always, I welcome your comments.

God Bless You

Nick Bruno

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Nick Bruno's avatar Author: Nick Bruno | Author's Website: http://www.nickbruno.com/
Written: 04/30/2005 | Category: Monthly ArticlesThe Gospel Truth Comments: 94
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  1.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/01/2005

    Wow Nicky! I can see some screaming, vein popping, agony featured people right now. The only thing is that they are not singing they are raging at you! Ha. All I can say is that if the shoe fits, wear it!

    There is nothing wrong with putting your (heart and Soul) into a song, but the discription you put on many groups is so right on! As you say, Nick, we are losing ground all the time and no wonder. I wonder sometimes if these groups look at their own televised concerts? They must not, because I am confident that they would be embarassed with themselves. I am embarassed for them.

    As for sloppy dressing, it is uncalled for and downgrading to the gospel. If the people who dress like that, went to find a job most anywhere in our country they would be turned down by most companies. Why should they think that the gospel music fans would think any different? The excuse is that they are reaching a different kind of person then normally comes to the concerts. Strange thing is that I see no one coming to concerts dressed that way even after a couple of years of this feeble attempt to look different.

    Keep up the good work Nick. Just keep your blood pressure down. Duane Nicholson

  2.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/01/2005

    If you really dispise the industry so bad and can find nothing good in it then maybe you need to consider a mid-life changing jobs?

    **Edited by the Administration: we do not condone "name-calling"

  3.    Steve Porter ~ 05/02/2005

    Yes, some of the screaming is a little much. Usually this is done when hitting a very high note, on the upper end of the range. I wonder how much of this is due to trying to sing out of range..(?). People that have the natural range can finesse those high notes without struggling, others have to belt it out to hit the note.

    As far as dress, I sometimes it seems almost bizarre. I recently saw a well known mixed group. The ladies looked very nice, but the young man had a shirt which was unbuttoned in an attempt to look (I can't think of a better word). . . sexy. My wife who is not a big SG fan was completely turned off, and now I have a hard time convincing her to attend SG concerts. I think so many artist want to look like performers, and nothing wrong with that, I just think it's important to remember they are Christian performers, and shoud maybe at least pray about the appropriate appearence.

    Good article.

  4.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/02/2005

    Polyester Suit.....seems to me Nick Bruno was just expressing his opinion, just as you did.

  5.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/02/2005

    Hey POLYESTER SUIT,
    Evidently you are not as ignorant as your comments because you were smart enough to take the time to come up with a non-existent web site and e-mail address. Not only did you take the time to say something unloving, unkind and untrue to someone who was merely expressing his opinion, but you took the time BEFORE HAND to be sure that no one would know who you are.

    If you are actually able to read Nick's article you'd be able to see that Nick is someone who LOVES SGM and wants it to improve.

    It appears that Rick Hendrix is correct in HIS article this month when he states: "the lack of unity in the industry... that's the worst thing in our business, friends." When a person like Nick states some HONEST opinions and someone like Polyester Suit gets offended by it.

    I guess Mr.Polyester that you are saying that you WANT unkempt, untalented singers who scream at the audience to be what SGM turns in to. If you disagreee with Nick's article, what in the world would be the reasons?

    Just when I think there's hope for the future of SGM, someone like "Polyester Suit" raises his head.

    Keep it coming, Nick! And thanks! Be brave! Don't let them get to you! The sun will shine again on SGM!

    **Edited by the Administration: we do not condone "name-calling"

  6.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/02/2005

    Nick,
    I agree with your article, as usual. I recently invited a co-worker to a concert at my church and the group was so LOUD that we couldn't hear the words. My friend, who had never heard SGM, didn't much like the music. And she said that the singers "can't really sing, can they?".
    I couldn't really defend the group. She was right.
    Thanks again for your honesty.

  7.    Zach ~ 05/02/2005

    While I think Bruno does go a bit overboard in his description of SGM at times (I think he is trying to be the shock jock or tabloid writer of SGM, LOL!), I have to say I agree on most points. The question is, when does higher ranged powerful and possibly loud singing become screaming? I would say when it is out of control and out of the blend of the group. I catch myself pushing too hard sometimes just to get one more note in my upper range. The problem is that crowds clap for people who scream almost as much as the ones who sing high and powerful. I don't think the general public doesn't know the difference.

    As for the clothes...it is always going to be an uphill battle from one generation to the next with one style to the next. Jeans and wrinkled shirts are "in", this means some will like some won't. Personally if someone showed up in a polyester suit and a combover i would be offended, LOL! Unfortunately that is the other end of the spectrum.

    Another good article Nick. Just keep pushing those hot buttons and the people will have to read!!

  8.    Brian Rayburn ~ 05/02/2005

    Nick, I have to say that I have'nt been to a concert where there was too much screaming going on. Bad singing, yes but very little screaming.
    Also I have heard many groups have thier PA set WAY too loud.
    No I guess I don't like screaming.
    Yes, Pride and Dignity mean alot to my group.
    When we travel, we travel in slacks and a nice pullover shirt. We set up in the same thing. No tattered jeans or tank tops like I have seen some groups do.
    For the most part I do feel that Sg industry guys treat the fans properly. But you do have the bad apples as in any basket.
    Even if we as consumers were to complain to the record companies, do you really think they would listen? I think not because it's all about the dollar. Now if we had people by the thousands complaining......Hmmmm, Maybe.
    Good article. Keep hammering the issues.

    **Edited by the Administration: we do not condone "name-calling"

  9.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/02/2005

    I agree with Mr. Bruno on most all his points. Recently I attended a concert with a popular mixed family group. The ladies were dressed appropriately, but the guys rolled into the concert and looked as if they simply got out of bed and walked on stage. Granted it was in a gymnasium and it was a benefit concert for a local radio station, but there was no reason for those guys to be dressed in this manner. Funny thing is, I usually like this group and their songs. I didn't appreciate the long-sleeved, untucked, unbuttoned shirts and baggy jeans with holes in the knees. Needless to say, I didn't purchase their latest CD. I wonder what Jake, Hovie, Rex, JD, Howard and Vestal would say if they saw the way some artists dress now? Yes, as artists we have to appeal to our audience, but don't do it at the risk of losing the ministry focus. As for the loudness of the singing--I felt like I was at a country music concert. This same group travels with a full band. I didn't know if I was watching a band play or back-up dancers to the singers. I've always heard that a good musician knows when NOT to play! The same holds true here. A good musician shouldn't have to be showy for people to know he's good.

  10.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/02/2005

    I can go back many years on my recordings and hear lots of "screaming". It has been used as an effect, which, by the way, the audiences seem to enjoy, because the "screams" back when the tenor has "screamed" out his last high note indicate their approval.
    As to the dress, I have had a real hard time accepting the fact that our society has accepted a lower form of dress. People are not dressing any diffently at concerts than they do at Church. Next time you go to Church, notice how the special singers from the Church are dressed, how the "Praise Team" is dressed. Everyone is "dressed down". Sorry guys, but it's here to stay. It's in the world we live in, and "old" style SGM is not going to change it. Now we can lose a whole lot more of our audience by making a big fuss about the way some of our younger groups, who are making huge success, are dressing than we will ever lose by the old resistant to change crowd leaving simply over not wearing suits.
    Another thing that I had to come to realize is that those "dirty" jeans are not dirty. They are sold that way, much the same way that "faded" jeans were bleached out before being sold.
    I know it's tough, but some of us "older" generation are going to have to wake up to the fact that clothing styles have left us behind. It's hard I know, but we aren't going to change it, any more than we are going to change many Pastors not wearing a suit and tie on Su8nday or Wednesday nights. Really, this is not the end of our music. I do wonder though, Would you rather see our artists dressed in regular stgreet clothes, or dressed like many of the country singers in outlandish sparkled flashy suits? Of course those guys are out of touch with the country music industry also.

  11.    Larry Sutton ~ 05/02/2005

    Way to go Nick! I agree with you wholeheartedly!
    There are several national artists who need to see your article and seriously consider what you have said.

  12.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/02/2005

    Nick,

    Not only is screaming hard to the ears, I have heard many groups who have such a harsh sound with their equalization on the sound system. It's hard to relax and enjoy the music and presentation when you are tense because of the bad sound.

    I also have a pet peave about bass singers growling out (or burping) so-called low notes that they really can't hit. I have a lot of respect for people like Tim Riley (and now Bill Lawrence), Jeff Pearles and other great ones who can actually hit the double low Aflat and G. (Wish I were one of them) As a bass singer who is not a subwoofer like those guys, I'm realizing that it's much more pleasing to the ear to hit the notes I can and don't try to fake the rest. Your thoughts?

    Dynamics verses screaming...sounds like a good session with someone like Steve Hurst could cure that. LOL

  13.    Jeff ~ 05/02/2005

    I must agree with Nick on a lot of these issues. The last few concerts that I have seen, there has been a lot of screaming. As a lead singer in a quartet I find it very difficult to feel the spirit moving amidst screaming. Yes, I know a lot of people like hearing the tenor scream out his last note, but when does the concern come up about how good the blend is as a group when one or two out of the group are screaming.
    As for the dress on stage, I know that times have changed when it comes to people dressing down at church, but I have always been taught that I should dress the best that I can out of respect to our Lord.

  14.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/02/2005

    Does dressing the best you can before the Lord me a suit and tie? I've seen some of those jeans like Nick is talking about that cost as much as my suit.

  15.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/03/2005

    Amen, Amen, Amen! I appreciate each article you write, Nick. I just wish I knew how to help make the changes you suggest.

  16.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/03/2005

    Elaine Harcourt's avatar When I read your column a group came to my mind immediately! They do a lot of screaming & look like they are in mortal agony most of the time. Another great article.

    God is good all the time & all the time God is good. 

    Elaine Harcourt

  17.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/03/2005

    I could not agree with you more. It's about time someone addressed the matter of TRADITION.

    I also believe that gospel music is WIDE OPEN and ready for some good old fashioned,well dressed, clean cut quartets.....What is so wrong with that?

    It's a fact that people still greatly support and enjoy the look and the sound of groups such as The Kingsmen and The Inspirations.

  18.    Rhonda Berry ~ 05/03/2005

    Nick,
    Every month I look forward to your articles and you never fail me. I totally agree with you again this month. It is one thing to have a trendy hairdo (in a natural looking color), it is another thing to wear clothes that look less than your best (the cost isn't the issue).
    I know that our group focuses on trying to look presentable in every appearance we make. I don't worry about any group that is "working" the stage to it's full affect, so long as the words are understandable and the message is about the Gospel.
    I read your article aloud to my husband with my 17-yo son in the room. This boy likes SG and Contemporary. I have discussions with him about the contemporary artists he likes that point these facts out about those artists. From your description, I thought you were talking about contemporary, not SG.
    Our group works very hard to get the notes right (within each person's range) and to work for the best vocal sound we can get. I run the sound, and it is very important to us to not offend with it being too loud, unbalanced, or whatever the issue may be without sacrificing the fullness people have come to expect from us.
    Keep on saying what you are saying, Nick. We are set apart and need to remember that and reflect that to the saved and the lost everytime we get onstage.

  19.    Jeff Hollaway ~ 05/04/2005

    In response to Jim Stitt, my feelings on the matter are this. As long as what you wear is fit to not draw attention to other things, you should wear your best to the honor and glorify our Lord Jesus Christ.

  20.    Joey Phillips ~ 05/04/2005

    The most important part of any Southern Gospel concert is the ministry. Does the way those involved dress make a difference? I believe so. The way the singers present themselves is a direct representation of the Lord they serve. There is a reason things used to be a certain way...i.e. Tradition. The Lord they serve hasn't changed, so why should they?

    As for singing vs. screaming, I believe to many Southern Gospel singers are in their own little competetion. Who can hit the higest or lowest note? Never mind quality. Southern Gospel is loosing that quality that made me a fan in the first place.

    But, what are we to do?

  21.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/04/2005

    Hey Nick,

    I was a little disappointed in this months article. I have loved your articles in the past and applauded your passion for the industry to move forward and reach the masses. Unfortunately, it seems as someone else was writing this article. It seemed you took a turn for the "old folgie" point of view rather than the "blazing trails" point of view that I am used to from you. I myself have a big voice and, at times, I have to push to hit the higher notes. You have to put the breath support behind your singing or the notes aren't going to be as good, or even worse you will damage your voice. I agree with the comment above about when is it "power singing" and when is it "screaming". There are mechanics to singing which use muscles all over the body. And I would much rather see a singer open-mouthed, looking at the floor, giving 110% to reach their potential than some bump on a log standing around a mic stand boring me out of my mind. You will see some of the greatest singers in SGM red faced, and bent over sometimes to reach upper-ranged notes. How about names like Jonathan Wilburn, Gerald Wolfe, Arthur Rice just to name a few. So if we are talking about this so-called "screaming" please be more specific. As for the dress of some artists. Probably the two hottest groups in SGM fit the discription you gave. You will see members of the Crabb Family and GVB wearing untucked shirts and jeans on many occasions. And yes Signature Sound had the hair grenade blow up on their bus. But at least it is something different!! And according to Sales and attendance at their concerts I believe that your opinion is outnumbered. I constantly hear people tagging on David Phelps because of his attire and now their not even at the NQC(We Won't elaborate on that mess). But it wouldn't matter if he were wearing a toga, I would still be annointed when I heard him sing "Let Freedom Ring" or "I Believe In A Hill Called Mt. Calvary" or "These Are They". The bottom line is I don't remember Christ wearing a "quartet suit" when He preached the sermon on the mount, or reading in the Gospels of anyone there commenting on his haircut. I think you have lost sight Nick. I think that dress is something that changes with the ages. It is a tool by which to appeal to different types of people. Reverence, Humbleness, Grace, Love, Praise are all character traits that are shown by our actions not by the tag on the back of our shirt. These "new" groups are trying to reach people who are not in tune with traditional SGM. I respect and love both old and new SGM and I think whether we like it or not, we should lift ALL those singing the gospel up in prayer. After all we are to be fishers of men.

    LOL,
    Dan Graf

  22.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/05/2005

    Nick;

    Just read your article on Southern Gospel Music. The last time I remember you being this upset was when you drove our bus through New York City during rush hour on our way to your mama’s for the best spaghetti I have ever had. I feel that you were much too harsh and critical with some of your comments. There are still a few groups out there who do not fit into your general classification. But, you have never been known for diplomacy and to bring it to everyone’s attention, as you have done, was the right thing to do.

    As one of the “Old Timers”, I can remember when our style of music was just “Gospel Music” and not always referred to as “Southern Gospel Music” Although it had its roots in the South, it wasn’t really Southern, Northern, Eastern or Western – it was universal, and it was great! You could clap your hands, pat your feet, laugh, cry, be happy, blessed and entertained. No one had to “apologize to their ears” for what they heard. The harmony was smooth, blended and balanced – a lost art with most current groups. But, even back then, we belted out some pretty loud and high endings – an accepted, and often expected way to end an up-tempo song. Nick, is there a difference between “belting out” and “screaming”?

    I have seen Southern Gospel Music go through some drastic changes over the years. We have lost, and continue to lose, our past Gospel Music “greats”. The influence of these men and women has been critical to the success of Southern Gospel Music, and the declining influence due to their loss is obvious. The saddest part of this is that there are so few “quality artists” to take their place.

    As for appearance and dress, I remember when every group wore the same suit, shirt, tie and shoes when they went on stage (except for ol’ J.D. and of course, the ladies). The Prophets wore tuxedos at every Saturday night concert for years – not to show off, but to present the best image they could for the people who were honoring them with their presence and support. This mode of dress also showed “unity” and a spirit of “togetherness”, two great spiritual qualities. I’m not saying that we need to return to this, but the “come as you are” approach is, as you say, disgusting – “completely unacceptable and disgraceful”.

    Nick, my love for Gospel Music has not changed, but my support has. I have only attended one concert in years, and it was a former group reunion. The image of Gospel Music has become more like attending wrestling matches and holds no attraction for me. It seems that groups compete to see who can get the crowd more stirred up, excited or emotional through THEIR OWN efforts and antics. I fear that many singers fail to realize that the excitement and emotion should be created by the Holy Spirit ministering to the listener.

    Finally, I do agree that there are some very serious problems, and the image of Southern Gospel Music is suffering as a result of these problems. The old adage “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” applies. Southern Gospel Music has some broken parts that need fixin’. What is the cure? I don’t claim to have the answer, but it would help to look back to a time when it wasn’t so broken and didn’t need so much fixin’. What are the differences between then and now? Each group should examine themselves objectively and try to see themselves as others do, and especially as God does. THIS IS BIBLICAL – 2 Timothy 2:15. Take this business approach:
    A.Realize that you are involved in God’s business, and God’s business is “Big Business”.
    B.Recognize that there are problems and ask God to reveal them to you.
    C.Identify the most critical issues that need to change, realizing that everyone’s opinion will not be the same, but give the opinion of others careful consideration.
    D.Initiate any necessary changes. Recognizing a problem does not correct or cure it. I can get rid of my headache with an aspirin. As long as the aspirin is in the bottle, I’ll still have a headache.
    E.See what happens. When you put pleasing God and ministering to His people first, everything else just falls in line!

    Chico

  23.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/05/2005

    Dan,
    I don't think Nick is saying what you THINK he is saying. I don't find him to be the "four men in four matching suits" kind of thinker. I think this month's article is CONSISTENT with what he has been saying all along - that we need to be diligent in SGM to keep our standards high. I think the MAIN point of this article is something you might have missed: If we continue to act like the audience doesn't matter in an industry that is DEPENDENT on and gets is life-blood from an audience, then we shouldn't wonder why our industry isn't growing. I don't think his main focus is dress and singing style..but that the underlying theme is our consistent mediocrity. This month he is using the way some SGM groups are performing and appearing to emphasize the damage the record labels who are signing untalented people are doing to this industry.

    You mention, rightfully so, two groups who are VERY successful. I think Nick is always trying to address the twenty five thousand others who are NOT.

    He clearly says: "I not talking from the standpoint of a seasoned old-timer who is criticizing younger styles. I understand that younger artists dress 'young'. I'm talking about artists who are so arrogant about their appearance that they don't feel the need to honor the audience members who took time out of their own busy livees to come to a concert".

    I think that once again, as in all his writings, the thread that runs through it is the arrogant attitude that SOME.. (please note the word SOME) record labels and artists have. The labels who don't care that they are signing people with no talent just so they can make a buck... and the artists who mistakenly believe they are not hurting SGM with their mediocrity. I read this article and see someone who is saying, "please stop being mediocre". I DON'T SEE THIS ARTICLE AS NICK TELLING ANYONE.. ANYWHERE.. WHAT TYPE OF CLOTHING THEY SHOULD WEAR.

    Dan, I have never heard you sing and so my following comments are not meant as a put-down. Perhaps the reason this month's article from Nick isn't sitting well with you is because maybe it comes a little too close??

    You describe yourself as having a "BIG" voice and sometimes have to "push" a little to get the note.
    Take it from an audience member: one singer's "pushing" may be an audience member's "screaming". I don't know you.. so perhaps you are not a "screamer" but if anyone cares about the opinion of a SGM listener I'd like to say to many of the groups that I've heard over the past few months: Maybe the plain and simple truth is that if a note is too high for you to hit without "pushing" maybe the note is too high for you to sing... and too high for us to have to endure hearing.

    My sincere apologies if I have offended anyone (especially you Dan) with my comments.
    Lord bless,
    Dee

  24.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/05/2005

    Nick.. Nick..
    Why do you subject yourself to this?
    Why do you care about SGM?
    How do you feel about people misinterpreting your words?

    I think your article's focus this month is being completely overlooked by some of these posts. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the point that we need to care about the AUDIENCE?

    Aren't you trying to say that if we SCREAM at the audience and we don't even LOOK GOOD to the audience we will LOSE the audience?

    How is it that some people are trying to put you in the "I hate them youngsters?" category.

    Isn't your point this month about how we are treating the audience... RATHER THAN YOU BEING AN OLD GUY WHO CANNOT DEAL WITH THE NEW STYLES?

    Isn't your point that if you cannot SING you cannot be a singer?

    I am lost by how lost so many readers seem to be.
    I am thankful that I am not brave enough to put my neck out there to be misunderstood like you are.

    I remember you from some camps in New Jersey.
    Greetings,
    Mike the Music Man

  25.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/05/2005

    Nick,
    Good job. Great article.
    I don't think you are being critical.
    I don't see the article as "angry"...but rather "truthful".

  26.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/05/2005

    CHICO,
    Nice post. I think you must not have been reading Nick's articles over the past year or so because you bring up many points... almost verbatim.. that he has been trying to get across.

    You agree with almost everything he says.. and HAS BEEN saying.
    Maybe you and he could write a column together?

    Dee

  27.    Chris D. Unthank ~ 05/05/2005

    Chris D. Unthank's avatar All I have to say is it probably costs more to buy those "dirty jeans and wrinkled shirts" than to buy a nice three piece suit.

    Wouldn't that then be our "best" since we spent so much money on it?

    Just a bit of food for thought.

  28.    Chris D. Unthank ~ 05/05/2005

    Chris D. Unthank's avatar As for the screaming concept - I understand how undesirable it can be to sit through an entire service of that. HOWEVER, there are times when the "SCREAMING" is used for effect. Sometimes the "scream" is used in reaction to a certain style or phrase in a song.

    I agree and am also not a big fan of it if it is done throughout the entire service, but done in moderation, it is perfectly acceptable in a concert setting.

  29.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/05/2005

    Don't see the words "three piece suit" anywhere in Nick's article. Do you?

  30.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/05/2005

    Hmm. You're right. But I also don't believe that I attributed those words to him either, did I?

    I was just making a comparison in prices between the two - something that is seen as casual and something that is seen as formal.

  31.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/05/2005

    Uh... nope you didn't attribute those words to him. You're correct. I just thought that maybe somebody reading your post might think he DID suggest that. You used the comparison he used of dirty jeans and a wrinkled shirt... and compared it to a three piece suit... But.. you're right.. you didn't say HE said everyone should wear three piece suits.

  32.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/09/2005

    I grew up listening to Southern Gospel and still love it today. I still love to hear and see the groups like the Inspirations and Kingsmen. I also like groups that tend to lean toward Bluegrass gospel like Jeff and Sheri Easter and the Isaacs. I also like to go see The Crabb Family. I believe there is room for all of these in Southern Gospel. I have been to see all of them this year and enjoyed them immensely. I expect the Crabb Family to be loud and dressed like the twenty-something group that they are (and like them that way!). I expect the Inspirations to be in matching suits(and I like them that way!). I expect Jeff Easter will make me laugh with joy and them make me cry with some of their songs (and I like them that way!) By introducing my lost friends to the Crabb Family (who are not as intimidating as some of the more staid groups) I have been able to lure them to see the other types of groups too. They have found them enjoyable and inevitably they hear the gospel through the songs and testimony of each of the different groups. Isn't that what it is all about? Or should be about?

  33.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/09/2005

    Nick, good article. Correct me if I'm wrong but what I took from your article is that there needs to be balance between what the artist wants and what the audience expects from them. I grew up admiring groups like the Couriers who when you heard them you not only enjoyed the music, you were ministered to and were able to understand what they sang. I remember Neil Enloe preaching to some of us that aspired to sing SGM to make sure we enunciated our words.
    I believe that anything we do as singers that detracts in any way from the message should be looked at. After all, the message and the ministry are what it's all about.

  34.    sgplace ~ 05/09/2005

    I couldn't agree more! It is (or should be) all about the ministry. After all, it's called Southern Gospel Music. If there was no ministry in it, it would simply be Southern Music with no real value. Personally, I base my opinions of the songs on the message. No message, no good.

  35.    Ben Harris ~ 05/10/2005

    Nick again I agree with you. We have lost our direction and focus. And for the record, true Southern Gospel MUsic is not screaming to the top of your lungs out of tune. Give me people who dress reverantly and sing like they understand what singing is all about.

  36.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/10/2005

    Can someone define "dress reverantly" for me. I can't find that one in my Bible.

  37.    Ben Harris ~ 05/11/2005

    Well those words are not in there Tim, but asking to find them there is parsing words anyway. It does say in all things present yourselves as living sacrifaces, wholly and acceptable unto the Lord, which is your reasonable service. I can stand in our booth at NQC and watch people walk by whose dress code I would not allow my children to wear. Southern Gospel Music should be above the world, we should not appear as if we are of the world.

  38.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/11/2005

    Well please explain to me what exactly constitutes clothing that represents a living sacrifice, wholly and acceptable unto the Lord. Is there something special in the way that your clothing is made that makes it sacrificial and above the world? I buy my clothing at the local mall. If you can guide me to the correct place and type of clothing to buy then I will know that I am in reasonable service to the Lord.

  39.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/11/2005

    Nick,
    I sing in a quartet, and I totally agree with you on everything. If the industry is going to change, then it all has to start with "respect". People don't have respect anymore for the fans, the music, and most of all God. I believe when you are putting yourself out in the front by being an example, and you are even if you don't want to be, you should do your best asif you're doing it for the Lord. In everything you do you should give your best, whether in the way you act, sing, or look. There's a reason that Gold City, Cathedrals, and the Kingdom Heirs have enjoyed as much success as they have, Respect! If everyone in the "business" would have more repect, I truly believe it would resurrect itself. More Respect would lead to a bigger interest by the "outside world", better music, and most of all, QUALITY Singers!

  40.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/12/2005

    Tim
    I think what is trying to be relayed to you is that if you are representing your company would you show up to a meeting in shorts, a tank top and flip flops? Of course not. You would dress accordingly. If the meeting is on the golf course then dress in slacks, a nice shirt and golf shoes (don't forget your clubs). If it's in the 34th floor of a fortune 500 company, better wear a suit and tie.
    If you are singing at an outdoor concert at pidgeon forge then slacks and a nice pullover will do but if you are receiving a dove award in front of 4000 people, ratty jeans and a tie dyed t-shirt is just not appropriate. If you are in a Contemporary group singing then I guess the ratty jeans, t-shirt and sandals will suffice (though I don't get it) I remember going to see Van Halen, Ozzy and other hard rock groups when I was unsaved and they looked the same as most of the CCM artists. In the world, not of it.

  41.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/12/2005

    So if I conform to certain people's thinking I will be sacrificial, acceptable and respectful. It's ok to be in the world in certain dress and style but not others. When did robes and sandles become replaced by suits and nice dress pants and shirts as the sacrificial dress of a Christian? And who made that decision?

    Where do I find the dress committee? I need my wardrobe approved.

  42.    Ben Harris ~ 05/12/2005

    Why would you want to dress in a way that is controversial to many of the very audience you want to reach? I fear that in an attempt to reach the youth, we lose the primary audience of Southern Gospel. If you offer the youth something real and genuine, you won't have to dress "hip" to grasp their attention. They are very savoy when gleaning what is real and what is a fascade. A lot can be said for dressing in a way that honors your audience. Why so many are fighting those traditional values is very baffling to me. I am not saying you have to wear matching suits, but you should be aware that a very large, majority percentage of the southern gospel audience has come to expect a certain dress code. Not conforming to those traditions is very likely nothing God even begins to worry about, but I can guarantee you, your audience does.

  43.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/13/2005

    Ben, from my understanding, the groups that are trying to dress more trendy aren't trying to reach the "typical SG audience". That would be the reasoning behind dressing in today's fashions.

    I find it funny that people want to complain about it - but if I remember correctly the leisure suit was something that was very hip and trendy and most SG artists wore those back in the day.

    It's funny how the tables turn when people just have a "personal dislike" for these things.

  44.    Ben Harris ~ 05/13/2005

    Chris, let me be perfectly clear, I could care less what someone else, outside of our group, chooses to wear on stage. MY question is, "Why would anyone want to alienate virtually two thirds of their listening audience in an attempt to reach what could at best be only another 5-6% of young people who might be persuaded to listen to SGM simply by the more trendy attire of any particular group. (First off I don't believe we capture additional audience by becoming more like them. I am convinced we must offer something more for them to see.) I do believe in going after that one lost sheep, but I don't believe in forsaking the 90 and 9. Run a survey for yourself and see where this falls with the majority of SG fans. Another prominient SG publication has already done such a survey and it was overwhelming the negatives that were attached to the "new" attire. Do I think it is wrong in God's eyes? No, I do not. But is your eye offends your brother, pluck it out.

  45.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/13/2005

    Ben, let me be perfectly clear - just because one publication's readers say one thing does NOT mean that this the majority of what fans think. They have a very skewed audience readership (if the publication is what I'm thinking of).

    If it is so true of what you are saying (alienating two thirds of the SG audience), then why is it that groups like the Crabb Family, Gaither Vocal Band, Jeff & Sheri Easter, etc. are all utilizing these kinds of fashions and remain the most popular groups out there today? Are they alienating their audiences by doing this? It would appear that they are not.

    You can say what you want about not becoming like the younger audience to attract them - but you want to know what the younger people's biggest complaint is about SG? The stuffiness and formalness of the genre. (I HAVE done my own "research" on this while I was in college.) Deny it all you want - but how you look has a LOT to do with whether anyone will ever listen to you. I know it shouldn't be that way - but it is.

    So that being said - if the most popular groups are utilizing these new looks and NOT alienating their old fans, and new fans are put off by the stuffiness of the old look, shouldn't we put two and two together?

  46.    Ben Harris ~ 05/13/2005

    Nick, to make a long story short, there are many of us who totally agree with your assessment. Good article, to the point and dead on accurate.

  47.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/13/2005

    Everyone makes valid points. However, I think we should remember that Nick's ARTICLE IS NOT ABOUT what these posts are about.

    The thread running through his article is that some SGM artists and record labels are getting "sloppy" in the way they are treating the AUDIENCE.. and as proof of this he seems to be pointing out that SCREAMING is not singing..though some groups think it is... and furthermore some groups are NOT BOTHERING TO clean themselves up appearance wise for their concerts.

    He doesn't say even one anything about suits. Rather he says THE OPPOSITE. He says, " I'm not talking from the standpoint of a seasoned old-timer who is criticizing younger styles. I understand that the younger artists dress “young”. There's nothing wrong with being “in style”. I'm talking about artists who are so arrogant about their appearance that they don't feel the need to honor the audience members who took time out of their own busy lives to come to a concert. "

    The point of the article - unless I'm missing something - is that one of HIS concerns for SGM is that the newer artists and the less than reputable record companies don't care what they present to the audience...and that this presentation of screaming singers and artists who don't look good appearance wise is hurting SGM.... Because... as a seasoned veteran, maybe he knows something that the rest of us don't ->>> the AUDIENCE ISN'T STUPID.

    The successful people mentioned above - Crabb Family, Gaither Vocal Band, The Easters - may not wear suits.. but they certainly take the time to look as if they "got ready" for their concert. That's his point. Isn't it? Just HONOR the audience or you're going to lose it...

    And then his questions are geared toward us - the audience. It's ok to have the never ending suit vs. no-suit debate here... just as long as we remember Nick didn't start it.

  48.    Ben Harris ~ 05/13/2005

    YOu misunderstood the entire thrust, this is not about suits matching or otherwise. It is about a dress code that presents a decent image and shows honor both to our Lord and also to our audience.

  49.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/13/2005

    Ben, You need to go back and read Deon's post. He hit the nail on the head. It's not the artists who are dressing down, society as a whole has dressed down. You need to realize that this is not the fifties anymore and the dress style accepted by the public is not the same either. The audience used to dress in suits when they went to a concert also, but they don't anymore. It is true that the groups drawing crowds today are not the ones wearing suits, but it's the ones like the Crabb Family, GVB, and the Crossway Quartet who are filling buildings.

  50.    Ben Harris ~ 05/14/2005

    It is true that the audience and the artists that you mention are dressing down as you say. That does not mean that I feel they dress, nor groom in a fashion I would feel comfortable with, not many of the people we come in contact with every week. I personally would never dress nor groom in that way, for in doing so I would be going against every fiber of what I have been taught, and to me it would be not honoring those we serve.

  51.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/14/2005

    Then dressing down as you call it is just a matter of taste and not a matter of spiritual doctrine or disrespect. It may not be your idea of proper but it doesn't make it improper for anyone else. I believe this may be one of those contentious things Paul talked about in scripture.

  52.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/14/2005

    By the way Paul said to not worry about those things but to let each do as to their own convictions.

  53.    Ben Harris ~ 05/14/2005

    I don't disagree with you Tim, and that was exactly what I said in my last post. I personally cannot nor will I do it, for it would offend way too many people who have come to expect a certain decoroium from our group. I said in several previous posts that as far as God is concerned this matters very little. But it does matter to OUR audience, thus we will continue to present ourselves in a way OUR audience has come to expect. And now I must go get our bus and get on the road.

  54.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/14/2005

    OK then Ben, if this is just your feelings and your group's attitude toward it - then why do you make a big deal when other artists don't agree with your stance?

    I have to go now and not get on my bus.

  55.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/14/2005

    Ben,

    Your previous posts did not seem to agree with me at all as you stated several times that you did not agree with dressing disrectfully. When questioned as to what you meant by that you used the dressing down terminology which leads me to suspect that you believe those that dress in that manner are not presenting themselves in a respectful manner.

    Your audience may come to expect you in a certain dress but lets not suppose that all audiences feel the same way.

    All artists should be accepted as they are. If the audience doesn't like it, they won't show up. smile

    Hope your bus ride wasn't too full of fumes or hot air.

  56.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/14/2005

    Ben posted, I could care less what someone else, outside of our group, chooses to wear on stage. MY question is, "Why would anyone want to alienate virtually two thirds of their listening audience in an attempt to reach what could at best be only another 5-6% of young people who might be persuaded to listen to SGM simply by the more trendy attire of any particular group.

    Ben, my question is, where did you get those stats that says 2/3 of audiences are alienated by the dress of those trying to reach young people, and where did you get that stat of young people only being 5 or 6 % of the SGM listening audience. Every time I see the Crabbs in concert or GVB in concert, their table is full of grayheads waiting in line to buy their CDs. That doesn't look or sound like any part of the SGM audience is getting turned off by the modern dress, except for the up and coming groups who just seem to be jealous over the success of these groups.

  57.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/15/2005

    I WAS NOT the person responsible for the first use of the "dressing down" comment. I was only quoting another on this thread. The bus was fine thank you very much, packed house each concert we did.

    Believe me, I am far to old and have seen to many miles to be jealous of what anyone does. I don't have a jealous bone in my body. Why should I? I will do my best as I am sure others will too. When we do our best we can do no more. I wish them only the best. Our dress code is very much part of our image and what we wish to present. It will remain that way.

  58.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/15/2005

    Ben,

    You are correct that you didn't originate the phase dressing down. But, when questioned about you ideas you did respond with:

    It is true that the audience and the artists that you mention are dressing down as you say. That does not mean that I feel they dress, nor groom in a fashion I would feel comfortable with, not many of the people we come in contact with every week. I personally would never dress nor groom in that way, for in doing so I would be going against every fiber of what I have been taught, and to me it would be not honoring those we serve

    So it is easy to see why my conclusion was that you feel dressing down is disrespectful and not honoring. I don't mean to misrepresent your remarks, just trying to clarify them.

    Glad to know you represent yourself according to your convictions. Others do the same! Just not according to your standards.

  59.    Keith Prater ~ 05/19/2005

    I'm not saying that I think screaming is good, but I did hear Luciano Pavorati say on a talk show that singing is just controlled screaming. As for how we dress, if you ever see me sing anywhere, I will probably be wearing a golf shirt or button down, nice slacks and dress shoes as that is what I normally wear. I believe dressing in a certain way to intentionally invoke a reaction from the audience, is disrespectful and distracts from the purpose at hand.

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  60.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/19/2005

    My, My, My, I stumbled onto something ugly on here. I quit going to church long ago. But I really miss the gospel harmonies of the old groups I remember. Specifically, the Goodmans, Hinsons, Weatherfords (now that had smooth harmony as I recall!) So tonight, I was trying to find the Gaither video of the Hinsons. I stopped to read this column and I'm kinda shocked. I hope you folks can get a solution worked out soon. I bet the devil is really enjoying your opeds too. (and watching you tear each other apart)
    Oh well, I'm going to butt out now and continue my search for the old Hinson music and videos!
    When you're done beating each other up, don't forget to hug and make up now!
    Goodbye,

  61.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/19/2005

    He thanks for taking the time to beat us up a little more for having opinions. When you get down looking for your video stop back by for your hug, OK?

  62.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/20/2005

    Thanks Nick,
    After reading your comments, I feel you are right on target. I promote and attend many concerts every year. Recently I attended a concert by the Melody Boys Quartet from Little Rock. It was an awesome mix of gospel music done with class. We heard every word of every song and it was great. As evangelist Rod Parsley recently said, if that is the best you have to present to God, then put it on and come to church. God gave his best for us. No excuse for loking sloppy on stage. Look at Gold City, Florida Boys and etc. Give of your best to the master as the song says.

  63.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/20/2005

    Nick, Great article!! This entire discussion on dress is one of the most controversial, not just in SG, but in churches as well. I've been to many concerts over the years and I can truly say I've never one time been upset or offended by anything that an "artist" has worn. Some of them have worn things I did not like, but that is a matter of taste more than anything. Heres the thing, take a look at two extremes. Let's say, for example, the Crabb family and the Inspirations. These two groups are at opposite ends of the spectrum both in musical style as well as in personal appearance. (BTW, I enjoy the music of both groups.) The Inspirations are going to reach and minister to folks that the Crabb Family never will, and vice versa. I do understand the idea of looking your best and being "seperate" from the world. But how far is seperate??? If we really wanted to LOOK different as Christians we'd adopt some universal, indentifiable look for ourselves that no one else has. When I go to Wal-mart to buy groceries I would have a really hard time picking out Believers versus Non-believers just by LOOKING. I think that this has more to do with our conduct and our countenance(having the joy of the Lord) than anything. Truth be told, I'd take a sloppily dressed teenager from our youth group that has a smile on his face before a well-dressed, sour-faced deacon that wouldn't show the Love of Christ to Jesus Himself any day of the week.
    This is also a very cultural issue. If "Christians" are supposed to look a certain way then Christians all over the world should look the same. After all, we read the same Bible and serve the same Lord. Yet, I think you'd have a hard time explaining the appropriateness of a suit and tie to folks in the jungles of Africa. What I'm saying is that "times are changing" and we've got to allow some grace to one another to be different. By some churches standards John the Baptist would certainly not be allowed in. I know that sounds a little extreme, but we're talking about clothing folks. Extend a little grace, and if there is an area that needs to be addressed let the Holy Spirit be the one to address it. If He does not, then maybe it's ok. If He does and He is not heeded then He'll deal with it in HIS time and in HIS way.

  64.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/20/2005

    Mike, that is the best perspective I have seen in all these posts yet! Great response, brother!

  65.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/22/2005

    I certainly respect everyone's right to have an opinion, and I don't think it's non-Christian to disagree with one another.

    I DO think, however, that the venom in some of these posts is exposing the lack of unity that defeats the very purpose of the Gospel we are tyring to spread in SGM... That's MY opinion.. and I guess I'm allowed to have it.. aren't I???

    ADDTIONALLY, I doubt that Nick's purpose in writing this article was to start a tirade of the SUITS against the NO-SUITS. Re-reading HIS ARTICLE I'm seeing his point being the same point he always makes - there are some who have invaded SGM and have allowed untalented people (Screamers vs Singers) to lower the standards of the music simply because they have the money to pay a record label. This month's article seems to be following in that same vein.

    I don't think he's starting a WARDROBE WAR...
    HE MAKES A VERY SPECIFIC POINT TO SAY;
    "I'm not talking from the standpoint of a seasoned old-timer who is criticizing younger styles. I understand that the younger artists dress “young”. There's nothing wrong with being “in style”. I'm talking about artists who are so arrogant about their appearance that they don't feel the need to honor the audience members who took time out of their own busy lives to come to a concert. "

    Isn't he simply saying that if we don't respect the SGM audience enough to put talented singers up on stage who look like they are honoring the audience enough to CLEAN UP before a performance then we shouldn't wonder why SGM is becoming the least successful branch of Gospel Music? I don't see a HINT of him saying "WEAR A SUIT!!!"

    Do you?

  66.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/24/2005

    Ditto : Nick....Bobby Clark

  67.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/24/2005

    ryter, nick says that he isn't saying this from a seasoned old timer criticizing the younger styles but that is what he is doing. he says that people are wearing wrinkled shirts and dirty pants when that's how my kids buy them off the rack. the style is for many shirts to have a wrinkled look and jeans to have a brown wash making them look dirty when they buy them. to my kids nick is a cranky old timer complaining about the way they and some of the young talents are dressing.

  68.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/25/2005

    So true. Your comments are right on target.
    I am so glad I am not the only person that
    thinks this.
    Thank you!!!

  69.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/25/2005

    Nick, maybe we are "seasoned old timers", but there should be a touch of class that surrounds all types of Gospel music that edifies not the performer or even the audience, but edifies the one we sing about. I wonder if Jesus were in the sudience physically (even though He is present in spirit) if maybe some of us would do things a little differently? Oh for the less controversial times at Maranatha Park Camp.
    Mike

  70.    Keith Prater ~ 05/25/2005

    I think we WOULD dress differently if Jesus was physically in the audience, but I don't think Jesus would care how we were dressed unless we were being indecent or immoral.

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  71.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/25/2005

    I wonder, just how would we dress differently if Jesus were going to be there. Do we really believe that are family? Do you go get dressed in your best suit when family is coming over? Keith is right on this one. Jesus wouldn't care how we were dressed, but our neighbors, outside the family might. My second and third cousins might care, but my immediate family isn't going to care, they'll just be glad that I am there. We are the only ones who care how others dress in SGM. To be honest, the sinner doesn't care how we dress when we perform. Even those outside of SGM don't care how we dress when we perform. Only amongst ourselves do we want to judge one another on how we dress.
    Kinda sad, isn't it?????

  72.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/26/2005

    Deon, I don't see in my post where I specifically mentioned dress. I just believe that everything we do when we minister should edify Christ.

  73.    Keith Prater ~ 05/26/2005

    If Jesus were in the audience (and he is), he would look past our classiness or proper dress and see whether we are simply white-washed sepulchers full of dead mens' bones. Most of the time, the audience, and especially sinners, can see it, too. We need to look past the outward appearance and get to the heart of the matter.

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  74.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/27/2005

    Nick, 65% here agreed with you while 35% were negative to the article. Count me in with that majority of 65%.

  75.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/27/2005

    Well Ben, don't count me in as being negative to the article. What a strange way to look at it. 65% agree and 35% are negative? Why not say 35% disagreed in some way. Since when is disagreement always negative. I agreed with much of his article. I disagreed with some of the posters, including and especially you. Perhaps you think that 65% agreement helps you to feel right.

  76.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/28/2005

    Nick,

    who appointed you "Judge & Jury"?

    with the exception of only a handful of SGM groups, when has the ultimate goal in SGM ever been to win the lost? It's almost always been who can sing the highest or lowest note, and who has the nicest bus etc....

    As for the "pit in your stomach" take some maalox. This is 2005 not 1955.

  77.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/29/2005

    Since when is someone appointing himself as "judge and jury" just because he writes a column that contains his personal opinions? Isn't that what a columnist is supposed to do?

  78.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/29/2005

    Dear Nick, Thank you for an honest and insightful look at what really happens at times in our industry. I am a weekend warrior who loves to sing southern gospel music. I can remember when I first did a recording project I was given the greatest advise I can ever remember and that was, "never sing a song out of your natural range because it will always be weakness" and that came from a professional in the industry. I have witnessed in person many times some of the things you have mentioned in your article and I do agree that singers need to sing and not scream.

    Also, just a quick note to say that any singer, or artist, or what ever you want to call it has the rudeness and disrespect to even come up on a stage (let alone receive an award) not looking their very best "before the Lord" in now way deserves that award regardless of how many people voted for them. That's why The Cathedrals were "THE STANDARD" by which every group should be measured. Always class even when in casual attire.

    Thanks for giving me time to share my thoughts.
    In Christ,
    Dave

  79.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/29/2005

    Dave,
    Rudeness and disrespect are attitudes not dress. It seems that SGM is having a real hard time understanding that dress styles have changed in our whole society. The dress of the Cathedrals is not the standard today. The Cathedrals had their day, the Statesmen had their day, but we're not living in "their" day anymore. Men aren't wearing robes anymore either, they had their day, but their day is gone. I think that one of the things that wasn't mentioned was that the awards program was a CASUAL DRESS ceremony. Nobody was wearing "their best", but they were wearing what was appropriate.

  80.    Keith Prater ~ 05/30/2005

    I would imagine that when we are "before the Lord," he does not see what clothes we are wearing. He sees what we are inside. I am sure Jesus would prefer a righteous and honest heart dressed in jeans and a t-shirt over an evil and dishonest heart dressed in a three-piece suit -- even when we are performing Christian music in public.

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  81.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/30/2005

    I don't think Nick's issue is the STYLE of clothing... but the CONDITION of the clothing he saw. It's possible the person wearing the clothing was wearing a STYLE that Nick interpreted as DIRTY... and it wasn't actually that way.....

    I"m wondering if anyone knows the actual demographics of the typical SGM audience? What age is the typical SGM fan?
    Does anyone know? Is that information available?
    I would guess that the audience for SGM does not have a majority of YOUNG fans. I'm saying MAJORITY... I'm sure there are PLENTY of YOUNG fans.. but who is the target audience? What is the typical age of the average SGM customer? What is the typical age of the average SGM concert attender?

    Does anyone know?

    Because it would seem reasonable to assume that unless you are appealing to your ACTUAL audience....it doesn't matter what the debate is about...

    AND... once again... I am AMAZED to see that ANYONE is reading this thinks that NICK wants people to dress like any of the OLDER groups..... He saw DIRTY clothing.. Maybe he saw incorrectly......But if he saw DIRTY... how many others did also?
    And does that matter to anyone......? except Nick?
    I don't' know...

  82.    Jason Percy ~ 05/31/2005

    Nick,

    I love you in the name of the Lord !
    I believe there are too many folks out there who are obsessed in tryiing to be, "Something Different". Unfortunately they have lost sight of the true "Reason" we sing ! (It's not about "US", it's about "HIM")

    As a minister of the Gospel, (singer, teacher, pastor, ect. . . .) I believe it is important for us all to do our best; not necessary someting different. The noncomformist truly stands out in our industry. The "Real Question" is what impression does that leave with the lost ? . . . . And with our Lord !

    Some people may call our style dull, plain, & boring . . . . that's O.K. I'm sure our Lord was called many things too. What sets us appart ? . . . the lyrics, a passion for lost souls to know Him & a heart for God !



    Jason Percy
    S.Q.

  83.    Jamie Rebekkah Carter ~ 05/31/2005

    I personally liked the article. I don't fully agree with it but I liked it. I have been to a few SGM concerts and I have enjoyed all of them. I didn't see a whole lot of screaming...and the dress thing...well I'm 28 yrs old so to me that is "the style". 3 piece suits is a turn off for me..when I see it I think "too structured for me" lol...but that is a personal preferrence. But I guess on the other hand that is as jugemental as someone seeing the faded/torn jeans and crumbled shirt and thinking...they dont care about what they look like so they must not care what they sound like. And like Chris Unthank said in a previous post..that stuff can cost more than the 3 piece suits. I think it all goes back to...if you hear them on the radio or on a CD..don't go to a concert expecting them to be totally different. Such as...look at the Crabb Family CD cover and inside insert...you can see the style has changed somewhat and when you listen to the CD you will hear that it has changed..so don't go to the concert thinking they are exactly how they were 5 yrs ago. It just won't happen.
    But on Nick's point...I know what he is saying..some companys are putting out any ole thing...and it hurts SGM as a whole? At least that is what I thought he meant?

    ABout the Music being loud...well I like it loud that is why I try to get as close to stage a possiable. If ya don't like it loud... get your tickets a little farther back?
    Just my opinion

  84.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/23/2005

    I agree with Nick. I also hate it, when groups have their music louder than their singing. Gold City is a case in point. Godd men and great singers. I just don't understand why they want their music so loud, that many times the words to the songs can not be understood. My wife and I walked out, when the Crabb family was on stage in Chattanooga. Honestly, it sounded like a night club. Whatever happened to actually being able to understand the words of a song? I mean no harm to anyone, but may we please get back to some sanctified sanity?
    David Knight

  85.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/25/2005

    YOUR ABSOULUTLEY POSTIVLEY CORRECT!
    very few people rarely SING anymore and the music behind them is just NOISE!

  86.    samantha parrish ~ 08/04/2005

    I am a young sg artist myself an although many my age will disagree with me I absolutely think that the pride has gone way downhill. I know that Jesus Christd looks at the heart but shouldn't we give Him our best in return for His unwavering love for us? I think that it has become more of a fashion show and a race than what it really is, A MINISTRY! As far as the screaming goes I really think that most people think they are actually hitting a note when it's nothing more than a high frequency. But what can you say to them? It's almost like they think that if it sounds bad just turn it up to deafen the people so they can't hear it!lol. I hope that God keeps His had on this industry though. There's nothing better than good ole' godpel music!

  87.    Hope Askew ~ 09/21/2005

    First allow me to start by saying I am a contemporary gospel artist. I to have the same issues and find myself wondering if the ministry is being lost by the yelling and screaming. When I sing, I make it a point to take my time and effectively minister each lyrical word to ensure the audience understands my message. What good have you done as an artist if the listeners don't at least hear the message. But what I have found is that people like to hear a lot of noise and are moved by emotion. And, that is why we have a host of christians who never learn anything. I will be honest, when I first began my walk, I used to ask God why people stare at me when I sing vs. the other reactions the screamers may get...and I have now learned it is because they are listening and God gave my voice that ability! For that I am now grateful. So your comments really hit home with me...we need to go back to teaching and not entertaining. God is using us to plant seeds. What good is your planting if nobody hears it? I pray this helps someone..http://www.hope-askew.com

  88.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 10/06/2005

    Dear Nick : Gospel singing use to be called a
    ministry,now its an "Industry."

    The Golden Age of Gospel music has passed.Its filled with a bunch of singers who can't sing....
    Its entertainment.I agree with your point that is well written and taken.

    In Christ........Bobby Clark

  89.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 11/08/2005

    Someone was asking earlier for Ben Harris' "stats" that the majority of SG fans don't like the new look. Here goes: a few weeks ago, Singing News did an online survey and found that of people liked traditional SG better than the newer SG - just liking the new look and sound. If that isn't evidence that mainstream SG artists are turned off by ratty jeans with holes in them while their singing in a church on Sunday night in the presence of the Lord, then I don't know what is!

  90.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 11/08/2005

    TJ, let's be more accurate with those stats. Where can we verify them at? Produce a link source or page source in the magazine. How many were polled? What was the average age of those entering the poll?

    We all know polls can be produced to read whatever you want them to read. While they may be interesting they are not accurate unless they are performed by independant tabulating and marketing sources who have no interest in the results.

  91.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 04/05/2006

    Amen, Nick! Of course I have to admit that back in the day, Hovie Lister and the Statesmen had a certain flamboyance, but there was usually enough substance mixed in with it to make you forget the nonsense. Much of what we see in the SG Industry today is not much different than some church services -- a production that would rival anything on Broadway, complete with loud music, strobe lights, well-rehearsed choreography, and so on. When 'ministers' (singers or preachers)don't have the power of the Holy Spirit to draw people, they try to compensate with a good show. The entertainment draws them for a time, but the starving usually leave, once they see that the buffet is merely hot dogs and baloney.

    And I agree about the disgraceful mode of dress of some of these singers. Try walking into a Coporate Office to apply for a job dressed in tattered jeans and unkemped hair, and you'll be shown the door in the twinkling of an eye. If I'm going to pay money to hear someone sing, I'd like a little respect in return. At least look presentable, for yourself, your audience and most of all, for the Lord.

  92.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 04/06/2006

    I agree with the original comments posted here and the majority of the "explanations". Several years ago I posted the same similar comments and boy,did I get blasted! Apparently, there are a few more people that are seeing a "trend" since the negative replies are less in number. Of course, it could be, those people left after turning a deaf ear.
    I've always asked what determines (not defines) who is or what is SG? The artists/performer? Absolutely not! Is it the clothes? Again, absolutely not! It is the music itself. You can rationalize it to suit your own interest, but you cannot get away from....it's the music and its presentation. They call it "style". Now, there are groups who want to share in the "industry" (poor choice of words to describe a ministry), but do not want to share in the style or presentation that has been accepted as SG. Because of that you have the "screamers", sloppy dressers, and those with the attitude of "I don't care-it's about me anyway". I do not listen to groups who sing something other than SG, but I don't have a problem with them personally. Only with the fact they call themselves SG, when in actuality, their dress and stage appearance says something else, and that's before we even mention their music. That still does not make them "un-Christian", just un-SG.
    If we change the "title", let's call it "Traditional Southern Gospel". Let the wanta'be's call themselves Progressive Alternative Contemporary Go-in the-current Style Gospel. Then this will never be an issue again.

  93.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/16/2006

    My personal view is this. I speak out of the viewpoint of being an actual singer. There is a right and a wrong way to scream. These southern gospel singers have no doubt devoted alot of time and effort to technically learning how to scream properly. I'll Have u know that screaming can sound a lot more blood curdling as in metal music.
    My point is, screaming is a technique. To paraphrase a section of Malachi, you should not withhold the best of your talents but only offer the best sacrifice.
    To agree with you there must come a crossroads where technique and wisdom intersect. At this crossroad screaming is meaningful and heartfelt. Some singers are just technical but don't scream from the heart. Others scream from the heart but it sounds horrible because they are not technical enough.
    Timothy was told, Let no man despise your youth. Elders, donot depise us for our youth, our dressing. I don't really go for the weird neo-soul look either. But God is doing a new thing that may not appeal to you but can reach the youth.

  94.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 12/05/2006

    Hi,

    First and foremost we have to keep a Christian attitude and keep our spirits right. I personally agree with Mr. Bruno. I went to a concert to see someone I love to hear ,and was so embarrassed as he came out with his shirt unbuttoned ,and sparkles on his clothes. No it wasn't jeans, but I was there to glorify God and his son NOT the singer. This is not supposed to be showbiz as it is starting to become. I think it was probably better when groups really didn't tour much ,and we just heard them. Now I have decided to just listen to the words, and hopefully have a song bless my heart. I believe Southern Gospel to be the best when someone is annointed under the power of the Holy Ghost they won't sing or dress unseemly. May God Bless you all!! Mr. Bruno keep up the good work and honesty.

    P.S. Although the world is changing WE don't have to. Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today, and forever. You see the BIBLE(KJV) is still the same ,and it will never please the world. It's not supposed to since Jesus came and said Let us be a seperate people ,and come out from among the world. We're not supposed to follow their styles. We're supposed to be following Jesus' footsteps. The world is going to Hell, but those following Jeus will make Heaven their home one day. Jesus loved us enough to tell the truth even when it gets down to the very depths of our soul. We should love with the very same love. Keep on Mr. Bruno. Jesus once said do you hate me because I tell you the truth. Well it looks like they did. They hung him on an old rugged cross for us. He didn't change his word to satisfy them or change with the times. He stayed the same, His words stayed the same. He is still the same.

    May God's Blessings touch each and everyone. May his condemnation touch souls and change hearts. For just one more soul is worth it all.



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