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SGM Fanfair / US Gospel News 2005 Fan Awards Top Five Finalists Announced

(Millport, AL) The SGM FanFair/US Gospel News Fan Awards were established to honor the legends, acknowledge accomplishments and recognize fan favorites within the southern gospel music industry. The first awards show will be held Thursday, August 18, 2005 at the Chattanooga Convention Center in Chattanooga, TN, during the week of SGM FanFair.

These categories will be awarded according to majority votes by gospel music
fans:
Male Quartet, Mixed Quartet, Trio, Duet, Soloist, Male Vocalist, Female Vocalist, Band, Musician, Song, Album, Video/DVD, Lead, Baritone, Bass, Alto, Tenor, Soprano, Young Excelling Individual Award, New Excelling Artist Award and the Naomi Sego Living Legend Award. The Living Legend Award was named after Naomi Sego, in honor of her life long achievements in Southern Gospel Music.

The initial nomination period was held during the month of March 2005. The top five (5) nominees in each category are listed on the second and final ballot. Fans may make one (1) selection from each category and submit the final ballot. Winners will be announced and awarded at the First Annual SGM FanFair/US Gospel News Fan Awards.

Voting guidelines and the The Top Five (5) Finalists ballot are now available in the June 2005 issue of US Gospel News and online at http://www.sgmfanfair.com

Congratulations to these top five finalists, as nominated by southern gospel music fans:

Male Quartet
Shiloh
Ernie Haase & Signature Sound
NewDay Quartet
Brian Free & Assurance
Gold City

Mixed Quartet
The Perrys
The Hoppers
Sounds Of Victory
The Crabb Family
The Shepherds

Trio
The Singing Byrds
Greater Vision
Naomi & The Segos
Ricky Atkinson & Compassion
The Talley Trio

Duet
The McRaes
Young Harmony
Tim & Mary Alice Lovelace
LaVerne & Edith Tripp
Expectation

Soloist
Ivan Parker
John Lanier
Mike Bowling
Mark Bishop
Squire Parsons

Male Vocalist
Brian White (Shiloh)
Greg Lynch ( Sounds Of Victory)
John Lanier (Soloist)
Joe Young (Providentials Quartet)
David Phelps (Soloist/Gaither Vocal Band)

Female Vocalist
Jeanie Stephens (The Singing Byrds)
Jonica Lynch (Sounds Of Victory)
Kim Hopper (The Hoppers)
Lauren Talley (The Talley Trio)
Libbi Stuffle (The Perrys)

Lead
Lynn Dodson (Shiloh)
Jeanie Stephens (The Singing Byrds)
Ryan Seaton (Signature Sound)
Guy Penrod (Gaither Vocal Band)
Randy Shelnut (Dixie Echoes)

Baritone
Mark Hampton (Shiloh)
Caleb Cowan (Naomi & The Segos)
Mark Trammell (Mark Trammell Trio)
Rodney Griffin (Greater Vision)
Doug Anderson (Signature Sound)

Tenor
Brian White (Shiloh)
Brian Free (Brian Free & Assurance)
Ernie Haase (Signature Sound)
Tim Johnson (Providentials Quartet)
David Phelps (Soloist/Gaither Vocal Band)

Bass
Stan Luce (Shiloh)
Gene McDonald (The Florida Boys)
Tim Duncan (Signature Sound)
C. O. Stegall (Providentials Quartet)
Mike Holcomb (Inspirations)

Alto
Libbi Stuffle (The Perrys)
Anna Byrd (The Singing Byrds)
Debra Talley (The Talley Trio)
Connie Hopper (The Hoppers)
Sheri Easter (Jeff & Sheri Easter)

Soprano
Kim Hopper (The Hoppers)
Karen Peck Gooch (Karen Peck & New River) Charlotte Ritchie (Jeff & Sheri Easter) Amber Thompson (The Nelons) Trecia Cisneros (The Lesters)

Band
The Singing Byrds
The Crabb Family
Gold City
Jeff Treece Band
Dixie Echoes

Musician
Mark Hampton (Shiloh)
John Buckman (Sounds Of Victory)
Stewart Varnado (The Dixie Echoes)
Jeff Treece (Jeff Treece Band)
Roger Bennett (Legacy 5)

Song
Take Me To Jesus (Shiloh) / Author: Randy Phillips A Crown Of Thorns (The Singing Byrds) / Author: Cager McQueen Carry Me (Sounds Of Victory) / Author: John Buckman Faces (Greater Vision) / Author: Rodney Griffin If The Church Don't Rise (Ricky Atkinson & Compassion) / Author: Ricky Atkinson

Album
Take Me To Jesus (Shiloh)
Kentucky Breakthorugh (The Singing Byrds) Journey (Sounds Of Victory) Southern Gospel Players (Stewart Varnado) All About Heaven (Providentials Quartet)

Video/DVD
CrabbFest 2004 LIVE (The Crabb Family)
Live In New York City (Brian Free & Assurance) Parade Of Pianos (Roger Bennett) Stand By Me LIVE (Ernie Haase & Signature Sound) Live In Dublin (Ricky Atkinson & Compassion)

New Excelling Artist
Shiloh
Sounds Of Victory
The Singing Byrds
The Shadrix Trio
The Providentials Quartet

Young Excelling Individual
Kasey Kemp (Naomi & The Segos)
Misty Freeman (The Freemans)
Annie McRae (The McRaes)
Tim Johnson (The Providentials Quartet)
Lauren Talley (The Talley Trio)

Naomi Sego Living Legend Award
Dottie Rambo
George Younce
Roger Bennett
Les Beasley
Eva Mae LeFevre

About This Article - SGM Fanfair / US Gospel News 2005 Fan Awards Top Five Finalists Announced

Author: AGM | Author's Website: http://absolutelygospel.com/
Written: 05/30/2005 | Category: News & Scoops Comments: 93
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  1.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/30/2005

    OH come on- it looks like the Singing Byrds,Sounds of Victory and Shiloh pulled a fast one. None of these folks have any recognition or massive fans bases to even get close to this many nominations. Paul Bodens credibility is on the line with messes like this.

    Dale Embry

  2.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/30/2005

    Have to agree with you on this Dale!

  3.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/30/2005

    Tim and Dale-it really fools no one.The groups make the entire process look incredible fraudulent.
    Renee

  4.    Johnathan Bond ~ 05/30/2005

    And what about Young Harmony, in the duet category. I heard that Johnathan is sending restaurant gift certificates to everyone who will vote for them. I'm just kidding. But I did want to let you know that I voted for Sounds of Victory in several categories for several reasons. One is I think they do a tremendous job and another reason is because they have their focus where it should be. Congratulations to all the groups that have been nominated, honestly, of course.

    Johnathan

  5.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/30/2005

    Wow, how does the US Gospel/SGM fan fair expect us to give their awards any credit when most of the names have NO national exposure. Am I to believe that David Phelps was the only full time person nominated for male vocalist?

    They had a chance to bring a legitimate fan awards to Gospel music. with names on the list including Gaither Vocal Band/Signature Sound, they are including folks that seem to be left out of the Singing News. BUT come on, these other folks nominated may be great people, but seriously, those 3-4 no name groups getting nominated in every category? HOW???

    this looks even fishier than the SN fan awards!
    but I am glad to see GVB, SSQ, and the few other national artists recognized.

  6.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/30/2005

    Thanks goodness we have SGN Awards and the Dove Awards. All the rest are hog wash. I think between Young Harmony voting for some of these fraudulent ballots and the box of papers these groups must have ordered to ballot themselves, we have a very interesting awrd show.No wonder the show is at midnight. The whole process is a dark one to me.hmmm

    Dale E

  7.    Johnathan Bond ~ 05/30/2005

    I really do like these guys, however I only voted one time. I just gave my opinion. HONEST!

  8.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/30/2005

    Wow, my name is Jessica Sisk and I personally nominated the Sounds of Victory for several of the positions on the ballot. I voted for them, and also encouraged a lot of my friends to go and vote for them, or whoever else they felt led to vote for. They are awesome ANNOINTED singers who live each day singing and telling people about the LOVE of Jesus Christ. I am assumming that the negative comments about the uprising artist where made by people that did vote...and you are aware as I am that your personal information could only be added once, or the ballot would be thrown out. But anyway...The word of God is Love...Jesus is Love..So therefore, I feel that the Will of God would be to LOVE. Not speak slanderous comments about other people that are living their lives for Jesus Christ. In 1 Chronicles 16:22 "Touch not mine anointed"

  9.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/30/2005

    It seems to me like ya'll are getting upset about something really small.... This is the first year for this awards voting and hardly anyone knew anything about it. The likelyhood is that a few groups took advantage of that and ask their fans to vote for them. What is wrong with that? The SN has full page ads asking for peoples votes. In the first year of something that has not been well advertised, a very small number of concentrated votes can make a big difference. There are some great people that ARE nominated for each category, so vote for them and let people like David Phelps and Tim Duncan and many others like that get an award and next year nominate your favorites,and you don't have to be a subscriber to any magazine to vote online NOW.

  10.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/30/2005

    I was glad to see Naomi and the Segos get nominated for some awards. I seen them at the Atlanta Gaither Homecoming and fell in Love with the New Group

  11.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/30/2005

    Jessica and Phil- No offense. But, its obvious a handful of friends were called on to block vote and have completely left out and entire music genre. So, if you happen to be one of the few that helped steer this campaign of block voting-I wouldn't admit it. And I am sure a lot is left to be said on this ordeal. It just looks bad. Music City and Randall are putting this on and they have bought full page ads, they now have several unknowns in major categories. And Phil-just because its a new award show-doesnt mean it can be traded and sold out by a few unknown artist.

    Dale

  12.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/30/2005

    I have to agree with Dale on this.
    These may be fine folks but there's no possible way that a majority of fans voted. And okay, so you had to put your name and address on a ballot for it to be included. Those are real hard to come by, ever seen a telephone book? I did vote, and put my contact information, and guess what, nobody contacted me. SO, could I have not voted 500 times online and put a new name/address every time? OR if I had a group, and we perhaps carried the U.S. Gospel, could I have not put names off of my mailing list and send all of the ballots in from my box of papers?

    1. I'm saying two things... I don't think it is legit.

    2. Why would US GOSPEL /FAN FAIR want to belittle themselves with almost a complete list of unknowns. There are several other award programs, and I don't see these unknowns on any other ballots. Especially for umpteen dozen awards.

    I'm just thinking realistically, what do they think they are really accomplishing by doing this?

  13.    Chris D. Unthank ~ 05/31/2005

    Chris D. Unthank's avatar I personally think it's unfair to "assume" that things were done fraudulantly. (Did I spell that right?) If anyone's going to assume anything - it's that these few unknown group's did their job and got their fans to vote for them.

    I was also scratching my head at most of these nominations - but I didn't think that something fishy was going on. I think we need to trust that these groups/US Gospel News/SGM FanFair are doing things legitately, and not assume the worst.

    You know what they say assuming leads to...

  14.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/31/2005

    I wanted to respond to some of the negative comments regarding the SGM Awards. It is true that I do not personally know many of the groups nominated so I cannot respond to those. That is not to say that they are not deserving of recognition. However, I can say that I KNOW Shiloh, and have worked as their Ministry Coordinator for 7 years now. Some of the negative comments were made out of a lack of knowledge, especially when speaking about "full time" groups. Shiloh has been together for 10 years without a membership change to this point. In 2000, they quit their successful secular jobs to pursue music full time. I truly believe that being nominated as they were is due to their faithfulness and dedication, and a great following of fans in Texas and the southwest. They have been called "Regional" on a number of occasions, although they have traveled coast to coast with stops at the Crystal Cathedral, Anchorage, and then down into Georgia/Florida. I am very proud of these guys. They have hosted cruises alone and have had 400 come along. In speaking with many of the more well known groups, they have troubles doing this. Shiloh has had 5 consecutive singles reach the SN Top 80 (as well as US Gospel News). They have also recently had a Top 40 with "Take Me To Jesus". They are currently nominated as a Top 5 for the SN Horizon Group of the Year. They are the only group that I know of in Texas that with proper promotion can draw over 1000 at special concert events. As a matter of fact, their 10th Anniversary will be at The Bass Performance Hall in Fort Worth in October. This is considered as the Carnegie Hall of the south, and it seats 1946. Already, they have sold over 600 tickets to this concert. I could say more about the reasons that Shiloh has been nominated by their fans as they were, but I don't think it is needed. Whatever the reasons for the nominations, Shiloh was not expecting this response, and they are thrilled to have this opportunity. Thanks for the great discussion. I look forward to reading others comments.

  15.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/31/2005

    Afraid that I must agree with the messages already posted. While they may be fine upstanding people, a few of them are unknown outside of their area. This does not lead to a great deal of creditablity to the award process......

  16.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/31/2005

    I must say I am saddened by some of the comments posted by so-called "gospel-music" fans. What must our Lord think as we point fingers and accuse one another. Let me remind you what His word says in Epesians 5:25-21
    "Be very careful, then, how you live-not as unwise but as wise, making the most of every opportunity, because the days are evil. Therefore do not be foolish, but understand what the Lord's will is. Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit. Speak to one another with psalms, hymns and spiritual songs. Sing and make music in your heart to the Lord, always giving thanks to God the Father for everything, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ."
    I don't know all of these singers and musicians, nor have I heard of all of them either. I would estimate that not too many people that have left comments know of or have heard all of the nominees as well. So let's not allow Satan to have a field day with this, Let's Praise God for all of these fine folks who are traveling all over the country and telling them about the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

    Steve Colburn
    Worship Pastor
    Houston, Texas

  17.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/31/2005

    Listen guys-I am not a confrontational guy.I am not a mean guy. But, I did expect these artist to send out their support blast to these claims.But, honestly the damage is done.

    Dale

    **Edited for rumor, gossip and innuendo**

  18.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/31/2005

    again, I say, shiloh, sounds of victory, singing byrds, and a few others may be great people. I'm not saying that they are bad in any way. no, I haven't heard them to offer my opinion, but my point is Neither has the majority of Southern Gospel Fans!
    I'm going to agree that these groups obviously talked their fans into voting. nothing wrong with that.
    I just mainly think it's funny. Imagine yourself as David Phelps, telling his friends "I'm nominated for male vocalist, against bla, bla, bla." just seems to belittle the whole award program.

    **edited for rumor, gossip and innuend**

  19.    Chris D. Unthank ~ 05/31/2005

    Chris D. Unthank's avatar These comments sadden me soooo much. I can't believe that we are choosing to believe that our brothers and sisters are doing something fraudulantly rather than giving them the benefit of the doubt.

  20.    AGM ~ 05/31/2005

    AGM's avatar We will not tolerate unfounded accusations, rumor, gossip or innuendo. Dissenting comments are one thing, but please keep accusations of fraud, gossip, rumor or innuendo to yourself.

    SGN Administration

  21.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/31/2005

    I want you to know that I voted for Sound of Victory because I greatly value them as ministers of God's music. The band and music are beautifully presented, and I voted for them becuase I feel that this Godly group deserves recognition for the quality of their ability and for their dedication to serve the Lord.

  22.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/31/2005

    the sounds of victory are the greatest groups going. we in enid love there songs and the message they give us. i first heard them at ringwood, follow them to enid and then to covington, here in olka. they deserve any awards they get. they told the story of how they got saved and there life afterwards. i have 2 cds and a t shirt and lisened to their music all the time. thank you being with us and helping us to live right.

  23.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/31/2005

    Dale, SHAME ON YOU! You assume that YOU are the authority is deciding the national standing of Southern Gospel Groups. You mentioned "Sounds of Victory" and "Young Harmony". If I'm not mistaken, BOTH of these groups have had songs listed in the TOP 40 on the Signing News charts. THAT'S national recognition! I also know that Young Harmony has received other national awards as well. These 2 great groups are part of a collection of many groups that aren't million dollar enterprises, but love God and want to serve Him with their gifts. I applaude them and encourage them to ignore threads like this and continue serving our Saviour. They BOTH deserve this recognition. Dale, you sound like a cry-baby. Please make careful note of my words, I have made NO personal attack. Gary VanDyke

    **edited by Administration

  24.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/31/2005

    I think Sounds of Victory are AWESOME!! They have been singing together for a long time (about 10 yrs) and they are truly blessed by God both in tallent and their ministry; they are reaching many people and leading them to the Lord with their siging ministry and they deserve to win some awards and have some recognition for all that they do. They have a HUGE fan base, we love them all very much and we will do anything we can to help them out! (by Voting) I wish everyone the best of luck - may God Bless you all!

    Daphine Schmidt

    **edited by Administration

  25.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/31/2005

    Who are you people? I cast my vote for Sounds of Victory, as did many of my friends and family and members of my church. Sounds like some folks are full of sour grapes! Repent of bitterness and get in the spirit with a sense of fun competition without writing nasty notes about groups you didn't want to win. Be a good SPORT...I'll be praying for y'all!

  26.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/31/2005

    Good Day Christians???? I think that negative comments about "unknown" groups or singers is very damaging and very unnecessary....I also nominated Sounds of Victory and they are VERY "well-known" in this part of the country.. How else WILL they get "National" "massive" fan-base IF some of us dont vote for them and put their names out there.....They are 'spirit-filled' Christians with the CORRECT goal in mind......JESUS FIRST, JESUS ONLY!!!!!!
    I voted for Guy Penrod also.....

    **edited by Administration

  27.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/31/2005

    I can't believe that Christians want to act this way about things like this. I personally voted for SOUNDS OF VICTORY!! They came to our church and sang, and I have all there CD's and this group is amazing!!! They deserve the best and I want to wish them the BEST OF LUCK! They are truly a blessing from GOD and they are a wonderful and Loving group.

    **edited by Administration

  28.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/31/2005

    Have you ever heard of the old saying, "Give credit, where credit is due?" Well...The SGM awards are doing just that. Why can't we be happy and Congratulate our new and annointed Southern Gospel Groups. I personally have heard the Sounds of Victory in concert here in Davenport, Iowa, and they are filled with the Holy Spirit, and as you can see other voters can see that, too. I nominated the Sounds of Victory not only for their tremendous talent that the LORD has blessed them with, but also for their annointing that is present when they sing. Just because there are groups that were nominated for these categories that aren't as well known as others does not mean that they are not deserving of it. Thank you SGM awards for giving all of our great Southern Groups equal opportunity to be recognized of their annointing and talent!

  29.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/31/2005

    To the man who wrote the first comment, slamming people he didn't know of. Let me begin by saying to this person, I worked in Southern Gospel music for a long time myself. I read all kinds of things about all kinds of people. There are groups out there that don't even acknowledge the others existence simply because they didn't get #1 that month. Fights between record companies have occured, friendships lost all over greed. So with that point established that I think the whole process has at some point been political and unfair, let me say this. I didn't vote for anyone is this race, but let me also say that as I worked for the southern gospel industry I DID hear of Shiloh, they HAVE been out for awhile, no I didn't always care for their style, but they had professionalism. I did hear the Sounds of Victory, I have seen them, they are talented and God-fearing. They have not done anything as tacky as what I HAVE seen other groups do to get votes. you my friend need to examine the TRUE purpose of gospel music and if it isn't to edify Christ and his work and mission, then you need to pray that it returns to that purpose. If David Phelps or ANY of these other people can sit at home worried about what awards they did or didn't win and get that tore up over the whole idea, they might need to enter another field of music or repent, cause that ain't what Jesus is all about, and if we're trying to "spread" his love through the gospel then we should open doors and let "No-name" groups who have been called and gifted in music help out. They'll never get out if we don't let them. So what if Ms. Thing isn't the reigning champ of the Gospel Music fan awards for the 50th year in a row, WHO CARES? If its about ministry then quit making it about misery! I KNOW there are some no talent groups out there who might be in it just for the fame, that is what the voting process could be used for. But once you've had your vote, let it go...get a life...spread some love. But most importantly Judge not lest ye be judged. I haven't said all this to be mean or hurtful, I believe what you did is wrong because it broke down not built up or edified someone else. I hope you know the love of Jesus and that everyone who reads through these won't let it tear down the ministries of the people who you attacked. I don't think people should say anything if they can't say something nice. You take care of your problems and let the Lord take care of the people who count the ballots! I expect that your pride will overwhelm you and you'll probably jump back on with some words for me, but let me say this...I just heard about this idiotic topic and issue from a friend of mine, and it bothered me so I felt compelled to write back....so if you think you'll hurt my feelings by getting back on and "tearin' it up" go ahead I'll never see it, you'll just ruin your witness for the others who will continue to read this...I don't stay involved with "National" gospel music anymore and don't really support it, other than in local church and my home life, because of the things posted in this string of comments. It ain't ministry, Jesus never said to make the message of his coming and life a competition to see who could sing it the best or be the most popular. Grow up...

    **edited by Administration

  30.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/31/2005

    I AM AN AVID GOSPEL MUSIC FAN AND CARE A LOT ABOUT SO MANY, BUT IF YOU WANT TO GET A REAL FEELING OF THE LORD BEING CLOSE TO YOU, THEN YOU NEED TO BE WHERE THE " SOUNDS OF VICTORY " ARE .
    THEY HAVE SHOWN GREAT STRIDES IN THEIR ABILITY TO PERFORM THEIR MUSIC BUT ALSO WRITE MUCH OF THEIR MATERIAL. THERE IS NO QUESTION IN MY MIND THAT THIS GROUP IS LEAD BY GOD TO DO BETTER THINGS. THEY SHOULD BE RECONIZED RIGHT UP AT THE TOP BY SGM FANFAIR/US GOSPEL NEWS. THANK YOU AND GOD BLESS YOU ALL. CHUCK COLFLESH 5/31/05

  31.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/31/2005

    My name is Jeanne and I voted for The Sounds of Victory. My friends and family are great fans of the group. They are a very talented group of individuals who have a TRUE heart for Christ and reaching people. If I am not mistaken I thought that this award was decided by votes from the listening audience. Am I wrong??? They have singles that are on the charts. They are certainly not unknown. Who draws the line on when you are "POPULAR" enough to win???? I know that God has great things in store for this group and I think he has his hand in this. I think we should all let God do what God does best.

  32.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/31/2005

    Hhmm ... Just to make it clear - Shiloh & Sounds of Victory are both full time groups. As their radio promoter, I have seen the response from around the country that both of these groups have gained over the past year as well as all the years leading up to this one. How long does a group have to be out there before people take them seriously? I'm proud of both of these groups and I'm anxious to see what the Lord does through them. Shiloh & SOV - don't let the negative comments leave a bad taste in your mouths. Those of who know your talents and ministries know that you deserve this honor!
    Be Blessed!
    Joy

  33.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/31/2005

    I think sounds of Victory is a great group and should win. GO SOV !!!

  34.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/31/2005

    I just wanted to get on and add my 2 cents' worth. I don't know a lot about the gospel community, but I have been astonished to read such negativity coming from these comments. I have been around Sounds of Victory for quite some time now. They are such soulful people. Real family. Every time I hear them I am filled with goodness and love and they brings tears to my eyes each time. They are always uplifting and truly believe what they sing and what they share. I have also recently been given the opportunity to hear and speak with Young Harmony. They were very astonishing as well. Their testimony alone was worth the time spent listening, not to mention their music. To the man who said he hasn't heard SOV or Young Harmony....How can you judge someone when you haven't even heard their music or their message? I just don't understand. I love you guys, SOV...thank you for such inspiration and guidance in my very hard times. Your cd's help more every time I listen. God Bless and good luck!

  35.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/31/2005

    Well, I was reading all the hoop-lah, and finally decided to speak. We here at Prestonwood love the Shiloh Quartet. Maybe some of you have heard of our small church in Plano, (just north of Dallas). We average about 7000 in attendance every weekend. We have hosted many great groups over the years including The Cathedrals many times, Phillips Craig & Dean, Point of Grace, Michael W. Smith, and yes, Shiloh. We are proud of these guys. As far as I know, they are the only traveling, full-time gospel quartet from the Lone Star state. They stay pretty busy singing mostly in Texas, but travel out of state quite often. they are about to take a Hawaiian cruise with Christian Comedian Dennis Swanberg and several hundreds of their fans. This October, the beautiful interior of the Bass Performance Hall in downtown Fort Worth will hear the sounds of gospel music for the first time EVER!! Shiloh will be celebrating their 10th year in ministry and will be joined with friends "Greater Vision" and "The Talleys" Also, I believe Roger Talley produced their latest album which recently had a song in the SN top 40. They are planning a Holy Land Trip in 2006 and have been nominated a top 5 horizon group by SN fans. So I ask, what does it take for national recognition. These guys are not interested in national recognition. They don't care who knows them. They do care that every person that hears them sing knows Jesus and has the opportunity to accept him. These guys are real. They all left very successful jobs for what they believe God has called them to do. Believe me my friends, they have lots of fans in the Great State of Texas and the count is growing. We should applaud groups such as these, not put them down.
    Good Luck Shiloh & SOV

    **edited by Administration

  36.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/31/2005

    I FIRST HEARD SOV AT MY CHURCH, NEW HOPE NAZARENE
    IN MABELVALE, AR. I WAS SO INSPIRED BY THEIR MUSIC THAT I WENT TO THE ALTER WITH MY NEPHEW. WE COULD FEEL THE PRESENCE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT MOVING ALL THROUGH THE SERVICE. OUR PASTOR DID'T PREACH THAT SUNDAY MORNING BECAUSE SOV SONGS DID THAT FOR HIM. I HOPE PEOPLE WILL ALLOW SOV THE RECOGNITION THEY DESERVE. I BOUGHT TWO CD'S FROM
    THEM AND I KNOW THEY WILL BE A HUGH SUCCESS WITH THEIR GOSPEL MUSIC MINISTERY. MAY GOD BLESS EACH OF YOU.

  37.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/31/2005

    I voted for the Sounds of Victory.I am so happy they are getting out and spreading Gods Word.I got saved in may of 99" at one of their concerts. I thank the lord for this group. They are a very spirted group that lets the lord guide them.
    I will pray for the people that put negative post on this site about some of the groups.May God reach down and touch you.

  38.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/31/2005

    I'll say one thing, Sounds of Victory have some very loyal fans. I think that in your defensiveness you are missing the point of what the others are saying. No one is condemning SOV or Shiloh, but when I'm talking about mixed groups and I say Crabb Family, Hoppers, the Hoskins Family and..... my next name isn't ever Sounds of Victory. If I'm talking about male quartets and I say GVB, Gold City, Signature Sound, Mercy's Mark, and...... my next name isn't going to be Shiloh. If I were using a Sounds of Victory song for one of my radio pics, they would be my "sleeper of the week" choice, meaning that they were plenty good on sound, but little known. I have used Shiloh s my "sleeper of the week" before. While they might have a national release, and they may sound incredible, they do not have national recognition.
    They may both have it someday, but right now they don't.

  39.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/31/2005

    I also voted for The Sounds of Victory on several of the catagories that they were nominated for. I also told people to go online & vote for them. They are a very annointed group, who have touched many lives.

  40.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/31/2005

    I'll say that Sounds of Victory has some loyal fans on the internet, sure, but don't think they compare in any number to the big name groups.

    NOBODY was slamming any group in particular, they just stated the FACT that several groups are not well known on a NATIONAL level. If all of a sudden these 3-4 groups have sooo many fans to manage to obtain a majority of the nominations in this award program, how is it that their names aren't seen in the Singing News, or SGN, or any other award programs?

    I understand that fans/friends of Shiloh, Sounds of Victory are up in arms because of this thread, but ya'll have got to understand our disbelief. It's not a slam agains them, it's a simple question 'HOW'?

    I've never heard of or heard anyone talk about either group, and find it odd that if they have this many online fans that run to their rescue in this thread, then why haven't the message boards/news been overrun with long threads about them? answer: there aren't enough fans yet, there may be one day, hope so, good luck, but simple fact, is that neither one would show up if folks were naming top 20-30 groups. I'm sorry, that's just the way I see it.

  41.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/31/2005

    it is odd that all of a sudden their 'fans' all show up to take up for them. wonder if they were prompted or asked to help them out by posting? I know that i'll see 20 replies now saying "no they did not", but even if it were true, nobody would admit it.

    everybody wants their group/or favorite group to be known, but they can't handle the truth that unfortunately they aren't a household name in southern gospel music!

  42.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/31/2005

    I have had the priviledge of working with Shiloh in many different positions and am very proud of them and their accomplishments. I am in agreement with so many who have echoed the fact that the fans of each group are the ones whom have spoken.
    I realize that some of you do not know Shiloh and so I would like to enlighten you as to some of their brightest moments.
    They are one of a few groups whom have been together for ten years with out a personel change up until now. They can consistently pull an audience of two hundred and fifty to over a
    thousand people. They are the only single host of
    a cruise that had over four hundred fans go to Alaska with them, get permission to give an open concert to anyone from the ship to come and fill the main theater to a standing room only audience; and draw a standing ovation at the close of the concert.
    They have a fan base that stretches from east coast to west coast, to Alaska. and from border to border of this country. Those fans are the most loyal,hardworking, wonderful fans I have ever had the honor of knowing.
    They are committed to serving God in all things.
    They are the same on stage and off, with a harmony not only in their vocals but personally between each other and it comes right off the stage down to the audience and out to the table when the fans stop to visit.
    They may not be one of the top groups but have earned the respect of all the top groups and soloists who have appeared with them and there are quite a few.
    Proud of Shiloh ? Think they deserve to win ?
    You better believe it.
    Please would someone give me the definition of " national group "? I have worked promoting groups in Texas and have had many a church ask WHO?
    when I give them the name of a "national group" that would like to come in and sing.
    For any full time group to spend over two hundred days out on the road all over this country; I believe they should be titled national.
    I offer my congratulations to SOV and others whom have been nominated. Your fans have demonstrated they love you and I believe we have done the same for our favorite group; SHILOH.
    Please go see them when they are in your area; I know you will be blessed.

  43.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/31/2005

    by national i'm sure they meant "nationally well known". I could give you a list, but would obviously leave out many. But generally when someone is talking about a full time, professional, nationally known group, they mean, GVB, SSQ, gold city, kingsmen, Florida Boys, Hoppers, Perrys, Crabbs, Jeff and Sheri Easter, Isaacs, groups in that category. I KNOW I LEFT A LOT OUT, but use common sense in seeing where i am coming from, please!

  44.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/31/2005

    While the Sounds of Victory may not be as well known as some of the other groups which have been mentioned, the overwhelming response from their "fans" just goes to show what a tremendous group of people that they are. SOV is widely recognized in this part of the country and they carry an amazing message which touches lives everytime they step on stage. I have been in their services and have witnessed first-hand the annointing that is upon them and the sincerity of their ministry. Just for the record, SOV is an outstanding group with amazing talent....GO SEE THEM!!!

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  45.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/31/2005

    I just want to say as a Youth Minister and Christian we are all God's children and we should act like it. As far as Sounds of Victory, I have known and followed thier career for almost ten years now and I do not know of a better dedicated group to Christ. I believe they are as good a group as ones I grew up under, like: The Florida Boys, The Dixie Echos, The Happy Goodmans and others. Those making bad or rude commits toward any group doing Christ work should be ashamed and be down on their knees asking forgiveness of God. We are all in Christ's Ministry and are called to be like Christ. In Christ's Name, James H. Rogers; Youth Minister and servant of Christ.

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  46.    Young Harmony ~ 05/31/2005

    hey guys, (SOV, Singing Byrds and all others) These awards aren't whats important. We aren't doing what we are doing for these awards. These things will burn with everyone else's awards. What we are doing is changing lives and causing people to accept JESUS! No one can change that. Who cares who wins by mans votes? I can't understand why HE even called us (YH) to minister in HIS name, but HE did. There are no awards to top this. I do understand that we aren't as popular as some, however do you remember David and the Giant? funny!
    Thank all of you who went to bat for the 'little groups' but we are already winners, if we keep our focus on HIM!
    Johnathan Bond
    Young Harmony

  47.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/31/2005

    Hi my name is Sheri and I have to TOTALLY agree with Jessica Sisk. You go girl!! Sounds of Victory are awesome. They truly are doing Gods will. And to speak of them as no name groups.... apparently you haven't heard their music or ministry. God truly blessed everyone of them with a wonderful and beautiful talent. Yes I voted for them because they are the best. Negative feedback isn't going to solve anything. Trust me when I say this.... they have alot of fans that don't believe that SOV is a no name. Sounds of Victory IS the name. I wish all the nominees Good Luck, because thats what christians do. We love one another. God bless you all.

  48.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/31/2005

    Why is everybody so upset,I am glad to see some very good groups get some recognition,especially Sounds of Victory,after all,folks,they are real people with a real desire to serve the Lord.Some others out there are only interested in getting awards and the recognition they get with them.If they want there fans to vote,why dont they take the time to ask.

  49.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/31/2005

    The Sounds of Victory may not be as well known as some of the other bands, but those who have heard them - love them. They are an AWESOME band. My 12 year old daughter doesn't like to listen to gospel music--at least she didn't until she heard SOV. We both love them. The tongue can cut others and the Bible instructs us to control our tongues. May God Bless you.

  50.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/31/2005

    okay, okay,
    the sounds of victory fan club has shown up (All of a sudden) even though we've never heard from them before. why didn't ya'll show up in the singing news fan awards, or anywhere else?

    so how do you explain the other groups who are nominated: providentials, singing byrds, etc.
    My guess would be that these groups would have fans defending them too, right? but they are not. so who voted for these. (now i do all of a sudden expect to see those who have followed the provs for 10+ years, ha!)

    my point... SOV, and these other groups may be great, may have a loyal internet fan base and US gospel news subscribers that vote (and apparently decided not to vote for any of them in any other awards) but honestly and really, I guess just cause they are good and friends in your book, ya'll expect us to believe that they are just as popular as gold city, gaither? hahaha!

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  51.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 05/31/2005

    To all you "naysayers", The Singing News has it readers(thats why the Inspirations get nominated for so many things, their many fans are active voters.) And the US Gospel News has different readers, as they are better at focusing on the "regional" or lesser known groups that the SN won't cover. Although I did not vote in the first round of this little deal(didn't really know about it until it hit the newest US Gospel News paper), I am familiar with all the groups except the Byrds. I am familiar with the Providentials, and they also have a large fan following in the state of MS and are reaching the surrounding states. PLUS, I believe they take the US Gospel News to their concerts like some groups take the SN, so I guess that people that enjoy the Providentials might also vote for people that they know, like, and have access to. Again, this is the first year for these awards and you will have some "abnormalities" in the voting, so get rid of your critical spirits and vote for your favorites in the finals or just be quiet!

  52.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/01/2005

    As Phil so aptly stated in his post, the Singing News and the US Gospel News are two completely different magazines. As a matter of fact, the USGN bills itself as a newspaper that covers regional and local as well as "national" groups. So the voting outcome does not surprise me at all. Their Charts are sometimes totaly different yet often alike.

    What makes a group a "national"? Is it the number of record sales? Concert ticket sales? Their ads? Their record companies? Song Promoters? Do they dress better? Are they more Godly? Must they sing in all 48 states or at least Alaska & Alabama? Must they be together for 20 plus years? Do they have a newer bus? Do they even need a bus? Is it because the major publications tell us they are the best? Is it any one or a combination of some of these things? Or is it just talent alone? As a SGM fan, I would like to know. I have been to large & small venues where several so called major groups could not even draw a 100 people. If they are a "national" group, whose fault is that? The promoters?

    USGN's subscribers have voted for who they think is deserving of the nominations. I like Shiloh and have sang on stage with Sounds Of Victory, and find them to be everything good that has been said about them in this topic. Are they a "national" group? Obviously their fans think they are! Who am I to say they don't deserve it?After all, Gold City can't win them alll. LOL! I know Paul Boden personally and find him to be a very honest and god fearing man and what's more I really enjoy his newspaper. Maybe you should subscribe and see for yourself what other groups are out there!:)

  53.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/01/2005

    first off, to answer gene...
    Someone posted earlier, and I quote:
    "by national i'm sure they meant "nationally well known". I could give you a list, but would obviously leave out many. But generally when someone is talking about a full time, professional, nationally known group, they mean, GVB, SSQ, gold city, kingsmen, Florida Boys, Hoppers, Perrys, Crabbs, Jeff and Sheri Easter, Isaacs, groups in that category. I KNOW I LEFT A LOT OUT, but use common sense in seeing where i am coming from, please!"

    that explanation makes sense to me too. So the term 'national' is not a good one to use. I'd say a better term to use is 'an extremely familiar name in Southern Gospel'. does that work for you? I don't know a good definition, but these groups in question don't yet have the popular recognition. If you honestly think otherwise, then there is no changing your mind, but I can't honestly say that shiloh or sounds of victory, etc, are anywhere on the same lines of gaither, gold city.. charts, publicity, name recognition, and many many many many many more things. I'm sorry to point out what I feel to be true!
    I agree that Singing News and US Gospel are somewhat different, but they are still Southern Gospel, and the 'big name' groups are still very popular in the arkansas, mississippi, Texas, etc area that this publication is put out. someone mentioned the Inspirations being a Singing News favorite, well, They are Huge in Mississippi (moreso than Provedentials) I'm from MS and have been to see both groups, and Insp. constantly draw and have an extremely loyal fan base, and one of the main MS promoters who primarily uses INSPS, carries the US Gospel and promotes it at all the INSP concerts. so that blows that terminoligy out of the water.
    I love US Gospel news, and trust Paul Boden, but he is not directly behind the fan awards, it is associated with Fan Fair, and ballots were not sent to US GOspel, they were sent to Fan Fair!
    Another point...
    Obviously these small groups are getting their friends/fans to vote (nothing wrong with that), but if by chance they do win. How can they honestly explain that, and make any sense. "I beat David Phelps/Gold City, etc" really, I'm sure I'll get bashed for this, but come on people please think about this and put your favoritism aside. Things DON't ADD UP!!

  54.    Rick Hendrix ~ 06/01/2005

    I wanna make one thing clear. This fuss over ballots has nothing to do with Young Harmony. I noticed Mr. Vandyke referenced them. I spoke with all parties involved to address NOT mentioning my artist. And yes Young Harmony has won Great American Country national duet, nominated for a Dove Award for album of the year and reached Top 10. They also have mass distribution and are moving records weekly in retail and sing 200 plus dates a year. This is not a shameless plug these are the stats and facts on my artist. So, I see no reason to mention them again in this post.

    Best;
    Rick Hendrix
    Manager Young Harmony

  55.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/01/2005

    I must have missed a negative comment about Young Harmony, I have never heard them in concert, so i can't call myself a fan, however,
    as a southern gospel fan, I have to realize that they seem to be exposing themselves in all of the right ways, be it ads, radio, whatever else. Congrats to YH for getting yourselves exposed. I would say that readers of both publications have surely seen the name Young Harmony and when a top five duets have to be picked, they are one of the few that comes to mind along with the mcraes.
    as far as the other artists go that have been mentioned, they might could take some lessons from YH by promoting and exposing their ministry to the masses. who would have guessed that good promotion works, ha!
    I have nothing negative at all to say about Young Harmony.

  56.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/01/2005

    For those who complain that so called "no-name" groups have been nominated for these awards: I guess you forgot that ALL of these groups used to be "no name". I can remember when MOST of them, in fact, were unheard of. If the fans voted for Sounds of Victory, which I did proudly, I don't think the opinions of a few whiners should make any difference. Maybe some folks are happy to see new faces and names on the awards; after all, what it means is that there are more great groups out there spreading the Gospel. Some folks should think more about the Gospel and LESS about awards.

  57.    Keith Prater ~ 06/01/2005

    Why do we have awards anyway?

  58.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/01/2005

    I would like you to know that i voted for the sounds of victory. They are an awesome group. The follow the Lord and here in Iowa they have a huge following. Thank you

  59.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/01/2005

    Dale, I owe you an apology. I attributed a comment about Young Harmony to you, when it was actually Jonathon poking fun at himself. I apologize.
    Rick, I find it hard to refrain myself from talking about such an awesome group as YH, but in deference to your request, I shall.

  60.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/01/2005

    Does nobody else notice or find it funny that the only people who can't possibly see where we are coming from are the multiple sounds of victory fans that have came out of nowhere?
    sure some of the big names were no names once,but with promotion, and actually obvious success, they no longer were "no name".
    no matter how bad you want to believe it, you can't become a successful big name just by thinking that you are already, or getting enough friends/fans to vote in a new award show. face the facts, as of now, most of these groups nominated have not made their mark in southern gospel. I don't see how hard that is to believe.

  61.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/01/2005

    I have been blessed personally on several occasions by the Sounds of Victory...I know that they are a group truly striving to serve the Lord to the best of their ability. Of course when we are serving the Lord satan always rares his ugly head trying to discourage. Don't assume just because a group has not had as much exposure as some that they are not deserving of the nominations...let the votes speak for themselves and let the Lord be praised!

  62.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/01/2005

    I THINK THAT SOUNDS OF VICTORY IS WELL DESERVING OF ANY AND EVERY NOMINATION THAT THEY GET AND WOULD BE WELL DESERVING OF WINNING IN EVERY CATAGORY THEY ARE ANNOINTED IN EVERY WAY POSSIBLE I JUST THINK THAT THOSE WHO THINK THAT THEY CHEATED TO GET AS MANY VOTES AS THEY DID MUST HAVE NOT EVERY WENT TO A SOV CONCERT AND FELT THE POWER OF GOD KEEP ON GOING SOV WE LOVE ALL YOU GUYS...........

  63.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/01/2005

    huh, i failed to read anybody anywhere on here saying anything derogative about SOV's singing/walk with the Lord/purpose. FOLKS, I'm not out to get them in particular or any other group. It just floors me to think that we are to accept someone we have never ever heard of as a 'big name group' just because they are your friend and you have been blessed by them. Sure, I hope oneday I eat my words and they are the next Cathedrals. I am not wishing anything bad. SIMPLY saying, that they aren't there yet. but i guess I'm wrong, since nobody else see's that yet. Perhaps I'm out of the loop. I missed their performances on gaither videos, nqc, etc, etc. they will probably be on singing news cover next month.

  64.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/01/2005

    It sounds to me like there were a few people that thought they should have been nominated and it didnt happen and now they are whining about it... get over it and find something else to whine about...sorry you didnt make the ballot....

  65.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/01/2005

    Hmmmm....it's seems that everyone is so ready to jump on these people because their fans actually felt strongly enough about them to nominate them. As I remember, there have been ads running in both the USGN and the SN since January...and I'm talking full page ads....Why did the "national" groups fans not show up? They had just as much opportunity to nominate their favorites as these other folks did. I don't understand why the "national" groups hold such dominion over the not so well knowns. Sure they may sell more records our sell more tickets....but it looks like their fans have sold them short.....did you nominate anyone? If not, I don't think you have much room to be dissing anyone.

  66.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/01/2005

    HAHAHA!
    I am called a whiner cause I'm not nominated. Well...NEWSFLASH, I'm ONLY a fan, not eligible for any award, so there goes your argument!

    I did vote, and nominated folks, that i'm sure everyone on here has at least heard of smile
    I'm not mad, I really don't care what happens, the funniest part to me is how all of a sudden SOV fans show up and are offended that I could not think that their favorite group is as popular as gaither, how dare me! what was i thinking, just because these groups aren't big names, I'm supposed to completely understand when they all of a sudden show up all over a fan awards ballot when there are only a small fraction of people that have ever heard of them.

    again i say, good luck in the future to these groups. I'm sure you and your fans must think i'm crazy, and may be telling yourself, we're #1, glad you have that confidence. I just haven't seen any proof of it with the exception of some of these comments. just wonder how many of these fans of these groups are actually members or family of these groups.
    attack now smile

  67.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/01/2005

    Uh, this is a bit off topic....but since all the SOV fans seem to be here, can someone tell me if Jason or one of the Crabb boys are singing on the last part of Ashes to Ashes? It sure sounds like it!!!

  68.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/01/2005

    Who ever say's that Sounds of Victory don't deserve the award hasen't listened to there anointed songs. That is what makes them great, the anointing of the Holy Spirit on there ministry. Thank you very much, Rev."Happy" Hendrix.

  69.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/01/2005

    again, again, again, AGAIN!!!
    I repeat, this is not a personal thing against SOV. I guess their fans can't get that.. OK, so they are nominated, and their fans have shown up to whine and misunderstand...

    heres a question...
    the singing byrds? where are their fans? or perhaps the SBs aren't online or haven't let their fans know to come on here and defend.
    Oh, this is not personal with them either, it's just odd that only 1 or 2 groups fans have taken this as a miserable thing. if these groups nominated are so popular, where are the other fans at?

    answer me this one question. SOV fans, can you honestly tell me that SOV is as popular and well known as Gold City?
    if the answer is no, then it confirms my point.
    if the answer is yes, then there's no use in replying, because even though you want the reality to be yes, you have to know that as of RIGHT NOW, it isn't true.

  70.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/01/2005

    Maybe I miss the point of Gospel Music altogether. Everyone calls themselves fans of different groups. I guess all Christian Music or Gospel Music has become like is the same as the World. Everyone is buying for popularity when they should be more concerned for the vision of reaching a lost and dying world for Christ. I ain't never lived this day before, and I will never live this day again. So many are hung up on both sides of this thing. You can take this whole world with all of it's awards... "for what profit a man...if he should gain the whole world (singing awards) and lose his own soul..." Just think about before your comment...it's all could be over in a minute...each one of us is one heartbeat from eternity...I know!!!!God bless

  71.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/02/2005

    For the love of God people, grow up and quit acting like a bunch of little children playing a game. Quit this bickering and call the powers that be and stop arguing amongst yourselves. You are making our industry look bad. Jealousy, anger and flaring mouths and tempers don't get anything accomplished except getting things in reverse.

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  72.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/02/2005

    I want to go on file stating that I voted for Sounds of Victory because I like the group, the people, the anointing and direction this group has taken. Professional sound and still ministry minded not entertaining. You would be surprised how big of fan base groups like this have. Remember the Crabbs when they started. Before the circuit new them they pulled the crowds.
    I think the Christian army needs to support and bless not look for the bad in everything.
    Jealousy is still a problem in the church community.

  73.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/02/2005

    All very interesting comments.....but was wondering......Has anyone determined what per centage of the supporters(fans) of southern gospel have a computer and respond to surveys? Might be a interesting figure.

  74.    Jamie Carter ~ 06/02/2005

    I have scanned through most of these post and I was just wondering...How many of us actually voted on this? I did vote but I'm sad to say not many of the people I voted for are on the ballot.
    Male Vocalist I voted for Jason Crabb( ain't on there)
    ALbum of the yr I voted (Driven by Crabb Family) not on there either.
    Song of the year "Solid rock shifting sand-Mike Bowling" again not on there.
    I will say I was a little shocked. I had never heard fo some of the people on there but who knows?

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  75.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/02/2005

    The Sounds of Victory are fine ministers of the gospel in song and I would conjecture that they have made such an impact on people's lives through their ministry and their lives that everyone actually voted! Sometimes the greatest impact is not made by the biggest names. This group has not forgotten where they "came from" and continues to minister in small venues whenever their schedule allows. That makes a difference in ways that are not measureable to the industry in genereal, but it is being taken note of in heaven and apparently here on earth as well! - Pastor Dan Davis, Ringwood Wesleyan Church - P.O. Box 233 - Ringwood, Oklahoma 73768

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  76.    Gary Allen ~ 06/02/2005

    Fan awards are intended to represent a BROAD SPECTRUM of opinions from a BROAD SPECTRUM of fans.

    My concern is not about who made the Top 5. It appears that the excitement about the awards has not been felt across the industry - the artists or fans. The fact that the groups mentioned have encouraged their fans to vote is expected - it is part of a promotion strategy. But if those votes can sway the results as far as they did, it indicates to me that few artists felt compelled to promote the voting to their fans.

    I think several professional sports *INCLUDE* the fan's votes in their ALL-STAR selection process, but give extra weight to votes from those inside the industry.

    "Favorites" polls are never going to please everyone. If the organizers "pre-qualify" the nominees, they are accused of not letting the fan's voices be heard. If it is totally open and each vote counts as much as another, it can lead to some surprising results. Anomalies in the numbers are amplified with lower numbers of total votes. Questioning the process shouldn't be taken as questioning the hearts or commitment of the artists.

    And yes, this is the same Gary Allen who considers Shiloh one of my favorite groups and all are good friends. I think they have the potential to move into the upper echelon of gospel artists. In the future. So I will be voting for them for the "New Excelling Artist" category.

  77.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/02/2005

    for the record, i am not nor have i ever questioned the heart or commitment of any of these artists. I am questioning the process. It is obvious that there must have not been many votes altogether, and the majority of fans knew nothing of these awards. therefore, the groups that did push it (nothing wrong with that) showed up in the ballots. I just think it's an odd representation of the true favorites in Southern Gospel. they are called favorites just because the very few that did vote. I realize there is no way to change that now.
    There probably wasn't much interest in this awards since we have so many more... singing news, sogospelnews, dove, thesoutherngospel, diamond, etc, etc. too many to keep up with.

  78.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/02/2005

    For the gentleman who asked if Jason Crabb was singing on Ashes to Ashes....Yes. As a personal friend and fan of Sounds I know that Jason Crabb produced both of their first 2 cds. He also sang on them. You can look at there web site for pictures with him and many other artist.

  79.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/02/2005

    I'll start with my background. I'm am a son of a pastor. This year I reached the age of 33. Currently, I am a youth pastor. I have been trained with in the music industry. I can tell you when one person is flat or sharp. To sum it up, I have been in and served in many churches of different sizes and have seen many groups hit the stage.

    Now you might be asking yourself what that has to do with this subject. Hang in there and it will make sense to you.

    There are over 3500 baptist churches in my state. I can take you to churches and ask the congregation "Do you know who Gold City is?" You might have a few hands raised. If you were to ask that same congregation if they know who "Bob jones and purpose is?" most would raise their hands.... even those who knew who Gold City is. In fact, you can ask the pastor of the church I am at who GC is, and he could not answer "YES" even though they have been my favorite group since the 80's.

    It seems that we are under the assumption that all christians keep up with the world of southern gospel music and are fans. That's not true.

    I can tell you that I am at a church where GC performed at. The people had no clue as to who they were. They were there because I recommended them. Months later another quartet came through. The people had no idea who they were, and neither did I... I had more positive feed back from people about the second group. You are fooling yourselves if you think that the people know who everybody is in SGM. You get my first point.

    My second point is that there seems to be another assumption that both news sources have the same subscribers. That's false. Now ask yourselves a few questions about this:

    1- Who can vote with Singing News? Who can Vote with US Gospel News?

    2- Who sales what at their tables?

    I think you get the point here too....

    Third point. Is a "fan" less of a "fan" because he or she likes another group than you think he or she should like? No. That person is still a fan of whom they like and it is their vote... not yours. To say that this award is lesser because it does not suit you slaps the hand that feeds you.

    Lastly, I hope that I have explained my thoughts well. It's late, and if I see that there is errors, I'll correct them later. For me, I have not heard everybody on the ballot. I will cast my vote accordingly. Of the quartets, it's a hard one... I have always loved GC, but I must admit that NDQ has caught my eye, and the eye of my church. A tenor that can hit an Ab above high C is hard to find. A group that gives an alter call is even harder to find. However, I am going to listen to Shiloh due to this thread... they might get my vote.

  80.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/03/2005

    i've been to a lot of concerts, and most every group carries the singing news, therefore, if any fan awards have the most participation, I would think that the Singing News does.

    I've never noticed many groups at all carry the US Gospel. It is a great publication, but doesn't seem to be out there as much, therefore, with not as many fans subcribing, it doesn't seem to be an accurate view of overall fanbase of groups.

    so your pastor doesnt know gold city. i'd say that there are HUGE amounts of Christians that don't know that Southern Gospel even exists. BUT, a typical Southern Gospel fan, would surely know Gold City. Can't say that they would for sure know these other groups. But I'm sure nobody wants to admit that, right? i'm sure nobody will answer (my previous question was never touched)

  81.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/04/2005

    You have missed my point. There are many churches out there that have a few concerts per year. Then there are those that have one per year. What I am saying is that these churches may never have GC, SSQ, BF&A, KQ... But they have smaller groups for whatever reason. That congregation is exposed to those groups and not the bigger ones.

    Again not every Christian listens to music on the radio. They love the groups that come into their churches. Just because they vote for the people they know and have seen does not mean that they have become a fan to the magnitude that they run down to the bookstore and purchase every new GC cd that comes out like I do. They may like the music, but that's as far as it goes. Following me? Your looking at it from your eyes as a die-hard fan, one that might travel 300 miles to a good concert. Not every fan is like that. They wait on the groups to come to their church.

    I'm trying to explain it the best way I can. Maybe this will work.... Let's say you have 50,000 SN subscribers(somebody might know). These are the people who vote for their fan awards. Now look at where GC, SSQ and the other bigger groups perform. If I had to guess I would say that they perform in venues that are serviced (for the lack of a better word) by the "major" artists. Those are the people that also suscribe to the SN. Thus those 50,000 vote for their favorites. How many people at those concerts are fans that go everywhere to see a certain group? In other words, how many times per year do you travel to see your favorite group?

    Now look at the other side. There are smaller groups that travel and reach that same amount of people per year that are outside of those 50,000 that subscribe to the SN. Why? There are many reasons. Money, word of mouth, sombody working the phones for a group... If a smaller group travels to 100 (hardly a full time schedule) churches and the average size of the churches is 250, that equals 25,000. These are people exposed to these smaller groups and not the larger ones. Yet these people are fans enough to vote.

    Janice, you stated "I am questioning the process. It is obvious that there must have not been many votes altogether, and the majority of fans knew nothing of these awards." If you really try to understand what I am saying, then you know that this statement is not true. There are many, many, many fans of the style that are not subscibers to SN. Just think about it. Not to mention that you did not have to be a subscriber to vote for these awards. To me, it included everyone, not just the subscribers. So instead of 50,000 SN subscribers voting, you had USGN subscribers voting (I don't know how many) via the ballot in their publication, plus those fans who are not that were fans enough to get online and vote. Just my opinion though.

    Well that's enough for me... I was just trying to explain what I thought. I hope that I have not offended anyone.

  82.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/04/2005

    i got your point. but really, even with the few statements that could be true, there's no way that I will ever believe that these relatively unknown groups are truly getting this many votes, sorry.

    I know of several major groups that carry US Gospel, but were not nominated. Also, you say that only a die hard fan like me would know all the groups. well, I know it does happen in some cases, but really, how many fans that just know one or two little groups that they have at their church, subscribe to the US Gospel and vote. I would think the # / chances are slim.

    you mentioned that these awards included everyone, not just subscribers.. true, but how many people have access/ and actually vote online? other than SOV, I haven't seen any other group fans show up online, so they must have gotten their vote from subscribers right? You may not subscribe, but how else do you get an issue with a ballot? the few that got them from a group? that is to say if the group hasn't already cut the ballots out and mailed them in already, ha!

    i'm sure by now most of the fans of these groups hate me. that has not now nor has it ever been my purpose. for the life of me, I just can't see how ya'll can't see the reality.. In the beginning of this post, there were several to back my point up, guess they got tired of arguing with a brick wall. nothing I can say will change your mind, and NOTHING you can say will change mine. sorry!

  83.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/04/2005

    OK Jan, you and the others have convinced me, these relatively unknown groups couldn't have gotten that many votes by asking their fans to vote for them....

    **edited by Administration

  84.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/04/2005

    Please give credit where credit is due. I voted for the Sounds of Victory in several catergories. As did my husband, in laws and several people from our church. The SOV have been in our little country church on more than one occassion. They are wonderful. They are focused on the real reason. Their ministry is dedicated to bringing people to Jesus. Which is the most important thing anyone can accomplish. If any of you will listen to the words of Carry Me, I'd Give Anything, and Ashes to Ashes you would not even give it a second thought on fake votes. You would be ashamed you did not vote for them. The SOV is moving in this country for God and no other reason. The SOV are great people and do not deserve this type of recognition. They deserve to be praised for their work for the Lord. Please don't give the devil a foothold in their ministry. Thank you SOV and all the fans that did vote for them.

  85.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/04/2005

    jan s I think you are taking this to the extreme and maybe you need to think about some of the things that you are saying. You make it sound like you don't even care about people! Maybe you should choose some type of secular music to listen to.... This whole thing is so stupid...lets end these childish comments and talk about something different, there is nothing anyone can do about it but whine so lets forget it! Congratulations to all the groups that were nominated and for all the ones that are mad about it STOP looking at the ballot!!!! Do something different like walk the dog or something.....

  86.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/05/2005

    JT, now that sounds like some incredible advice. Stop listening to Gospel music and listen to secular music. Sounds like something Jesus might have said. This topic has had nothing to do with groups getting mad for not being nominated. It has to do with the fact that the "not so well known" groups that WERE nominated is not logical. This has been a discussion on that topic, there is nothing stupid or childish about it. Jan has not said anything derogatory about any of the artists, just that the noiminations do not make any logical sense.

  87.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/05/2005

    I'm sorry folks if I did say anything to offend anyone, so I'll make this my last post.

    I don't even know SOV, and never made it anything against them. Put them aside, out of the picture, and my question would have still remained... who are the singing byrds, providentials, etc., etc. please understand where I am coming from. At least Deon understands me smile

    None of these awards 'really' matter, but if we are going to have them, it just seems that they should make some logical sense.

  88.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/06/2005

    Hey, let's call Randall Wilds and ask for a recount. They have the ballot information right?

  89.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/31/2005

    All of this pitiful argument boils down to 2 things...MONEY and POLITICS...I have been close enough to the industry on the production end to see how things REALLY are! MOST of these "Big Names", that all of the fuss is over, are one's who made their way up the Southern Gospel ladder because of WHO THEY KNOW..I didn't say ALL OF THEM.

    Big Names in high places put ALOT of great artists where they are today. There's your politics. Some artists started with enough MONEY to BUY their way into the "ministry". Emphasize the last word. MINISTRY. If the focus was on ministry, this fuss wouldn't be happening.

    This argument paints a grim picture of where Southern Gospel music is heading. Greed, and politics have more to do with these voting polls, AND many SG groups, than most folks want to allow themselves to see.

    Sorry to burst so many bubbles, but the industry is what it is. Slowly becoming a HUGE part of the wide path of destruction, as seen in this thread. This was NEVER intended when the ministries of the FIRST SG singers started...WITHOUT NAMES

  90.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/31/2005

    Strife and contention is all that people are trying to stir up. No matter who wins, some wouldn't be happy with it. If this was about money and politics, then I wouldn't be still doing it for a living. At the price of gas it usually cost more than I receive to go. It's about a calling on my life, or I wouldn't be still doing it.Not to mention that,quote that was written above."That was NEVER intended when the ministries of the FIRST SG singers started without names......." It's ALWAYS been like this......I could name many of them...but I won't.
    Prayer is the key, the calling is without repentance, and the Ministry is in God's hands not yours or mine.

  91.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/31/2005

    Jan, I just noticed in looking back over previous posts that you posed a question to SOV fans wondering if they thought that SOV was honestly more popular than Gold Coast or something. You can already tell by my response that although I can't speak for any other SOV fans, I have absolutely NO IDEA who the other group is!!! I don't know if that gives you a good answer or not but it is the truth. The rest of the truth is I am not an avid follower of Southern Gospel, anthough I own a few southern gospel CD's - most notably SOV and the "Forgiven" Quartet from NE Oklahoma (who have performed in Branson, MO like many of the "big names" but aren't nominated) Most of my Christian library is composed of contemporary christian rock and praise and worship. I asm however a big SOV fan and since they were nominated for these awards, and I know their ministry and they ARE MY favorite SG Group, I voted for them. Might be a whole slug like me out there. You don't have to be an avid fan of SG to be a fan of an SG group OR for that group to be your favorite SG group. Should only avid SG fans vote to make the award valid, or can they be my favorite SG group even if I don't exclusively follow SG music? Just a thought.

  92.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 08/23/2005

    I can't believe any of the Kingdom Heirs didn't get any votes. They at least win the band of the year almost every year. This must be a joke of a awards deal. For the musician who left Anthony Burger out he is by far the best piano player. Singing News is the only one that counts anyway.

  93.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 08/23/2005

    For your information, The Kingdom Heirs did indeed receive nominations. However, they did not recieve enough to make it in the top five finalists.

    Anthony Burger also received nominations. But again, not enough to make it in the top five.

    If you feel that Singing News is the only one that counts, then stick with them and don't waste your time with us.

    We simply published what the fans sent in and I refuse to apologize to anyone for that. We did not disqualify any artist because they were lesser known than others, or just because WE wanted someone else to get the award.

    Perhaps, the joke is on you, sir.



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