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Southern Gospel Music vs. Bizarro Southern Gospel Music

Do you like Superman? Anyone who is a fan of Superman knows about Bizarro World. It’s a cube-shaped planet called “Htrae” – “earth” spelled backwards. Bizarro World has many of the same characters that Earth has – Bizarro Superman, Bizarro Lois Lane, and Bizarro Perry White. The main difference is that in Bizarro World, everything is the exact opposite of things on Earth. It’s good to be bad in Bizarro World. For example, Superman is good, Bizarro Superman is not. Bizarro “society” is ruled by the Bizarro Code which states, “Us do opposite of all Earthly things! Us hate beauty! Us love ugliness! It is a big crime to make anything perfect on Bizarro World!”

BIZARRO SGM

And so, I am happy to announce that I have the solution to SGM being dead last in every category…Bizarro Southern Gospel is taking over the industry.

We have Bizarro record companies that feel it is a crime to make a great recording.
We have Bizarro radio promoters who never really promote a thing.
We have Bizarro artists who refuse to admit they cannot sing,
And, we have Bizarro charts which don’t bear the slightest reflection of what is popular and what is not.

REAL Southern Gospel is the greatest music this side of heaven…yet we keep trying to change it. We are allowing the Bizarro World infiltrators to make it progressive, or country, or contemporary, or heaven knows what next.

I love listening to Southern Gospel Music when it is performed well. I love quartets, trios, duos, male groups, mixed groups, family groups, and soloists. Whoever is singing Southern Gospel Music is singing my song. I love it.

THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH SOUTHERN GOSPEL MUSIC! LEAVE THE MUSIC ALONE!

The reason SGM is dead last in every category is not because of the music. The music has stood the test of time. When people hear SGM performed professionally, they love it too.

The real problem is that the Southern Gospel Music Industry is really two industries... PROFESSIONAL AND AMATEUR.

PROFESSIONAL SGM INDUSTRY

I suppose one could argue all day about the definition of a “PROFESSIONAL.” To me, a professional group is talented at every vocal position, is full time, draws people to their concerts, and has good sales at their table and also at retail. You all know exactly what I’m talking about so there is no reason to split hairs over this.

We’re talking about groups like The Booth Brothers, The Inspirations, Gold City, Greater Vision, The Talleys, The Perrys, The Hoppers, The Isaacs, Gaither Vocal Band, The Kingsmen, Ernie Haase and Signature Sound, The Dove Brothers and others. NOTICE, I said. “And others”. These are not the ONLY professional groups – I’m naming a few who come to mind. These groups are all different in style but they are professional. They are making money, serious money.

I’ve compiled a list of professional groups and I find that there are about 30 groups, and I had to relax my definition of “professional” a little to get to 30.

These are the groups that draw people to concerts, to the bookstores, and to the National Quartet Convention. They are sought after by songwriters, promoters, talent agencies, and record labels.

If the President wanted to have a Southern Gospel concert at the White House, you can be sure the artists appearing would come from this list.

These artists record great songs written by talented and anointed songwriters

Concert promoters book these groups mostly through talent agencies that are also professional, like The Beckie Simmons Agency and The Harper Agency.

These groups are recorded by professional record companies, Crossroads, Canaan, Homeland and Daywind, to name a few, that make recordings to the highest industry standards. Then the companies market and promote the recordings through the print medium and radio, and also distribute the artists’ recordings to the retail market.

The important thing about this side of Southern Gospel Music is that everything, EVERYTHING, songwriting, promoting, booking, recording, EVERYTHING…is driven by the artists’ ability to appeal to the consumer, spiritually and materially. Songwriters, promoters, talent agencies, and record companies need artists that can help them make a profit.

The professional side of SGM is driven by the artists’ ability to MAKE money.

BIZARRO SGM INDUSTRY – NON PROFESSIONALS

The amateur side of SGM is driven by the artists’ ability to PAY money.

There is NOTHING WRONG with being new, with being an amateur. Every professional listed above started out as an amateur and worked hard to become a professional.

To me, the word “amateur” has two meanings:

1.Someone who chooses to do something for pleasure rather than for financial benefit or professional reasons.

We have lots of artists in SGM who are “amateurs” by choice. They don’t have a competitive spirit; they just want to be a blessing. They love the music and want to get out there and get involved, but they don’t want to leave their jobs, so they go out and sing a couple of times a month and have a great time. Some of these groups are pretty good, and they desire to be the best they can be, but they have no illusions of grandeur. I work with many groups like this and I can tell you, I love it. It’s singing for the best of reasons…because you love it.

Now folks, I want you to hear me loud and clear. There is absolutely nothing wrong with weekend warriors, “newbies”, making custom recordings and getting out there and singing their hearts out week after week. Please understand me here. This is not the problem. Just like there is nothing wrong with me playing my heart out at softball two nights a week. But… if I try to get my softball team into the eastern division of the American League to compete with The Yankees and The Red Sox…now that’s a problem!

What troubles me is that you can understand how ridiculous it would be for my softball team of pot bellied aging men to try to play in the Major Leagues but you can’t (or maybe won’t) understand how ridiculous it is for an inexperienced group to try and do the things the pro groups do.

FAST RIDE ON A SLOW TRAIN TO BIZARRO WORLD

Which brings me to the second meaning for “amateur”.

2. Someone who is inexperienced or unskilled as in, “Hunting lions is not for amateurs.”

We have many, many artists who are inexperienced and unskilled in the craft of singing. The sad thing is that they don’t know it.

What they need is TLC and guidance but what they are getting is a fast ride on a slow train to SGM Bizarro World where you will find:

Too many “amateur” artists who are “legends in their own mind.”
Amateur record companies pretending to be big shot companies when they are nothing more than custom recording companies.
Amateur radio promoters who will never admit that they cannot possibly track all the songs.
Amateur periodicals with top 80 charts, knowing that probably 40 of the slots will be taken by amateur artists who will also buy ads.
Amateur talent agencies trying to book amateur artists.
Amateur radio stations playing anything that comes down the pike.


CONSUMERS ARE CONFUSED BY THIS SGM BIZARRO WORLD

They go to a concert and hear a professional group do a wonderful performance. The next week an amateur group comes to their church and stinks up the platform.

They hear a great song on the radio by a professional group followed by a group that sounds like a bunch of cats with their tails caught in the door.

They see photos of our professional groups, but they also see photos of amateur groups in ill-fitting suits with coat sleeves that hang 6 inches past their fingers.

To the world it’s all the same...it’s the same industry…Southern Gospel Music. The reason it’s all the same to them is because we have allowed it to be the same.

Every single person reading this knows that it is true. Yet, we turn our head the other way and allow it to continue, as though it’s not happening.

It’s all about the money. It’s the little groups with stars in their eyes that are funding SGM Bizarro World. As long as they are willing to keep paying, there will be a magazine, a promoter, and a record company that will gladly take their money.

ESCAPE FROM BIZARRO WORLD

So…how do we fix this mess?

My friends, the answer is so simple that it is profound.

ADMIT IT!!!!

Yes, that’s right…admit it. The first step in fixing a problem is to admit that there IS a problem.

Let’s stop “pussyfooting” around and start telling the truth about all this nonsense.

We all know what’s rotten in SGM. We know who is doing it, and why they are doing it…to make money.

Yet we all just stand around like fools and act like it’s not happening.

We allow representatives of these companies to join our various organizations, sit on boards, attend meetings, and vote on matters of great importance to our industry.

What we should be doing is identifying these folks and calling their hand. “Hey you, yes you… your company, your magazine, your station, your group, your organization is doing things that are damaging to our industry. You and those like you are not welcome here. Please leave!”

It is not right for companies and individuals who damage our industry to receive recognition from the professionals. By turning the other cheek to their unscrupulous business practices we are allowing them access to our side of the fence, when what we should be doing is throwing the bums out.

Listen friends, I’m not saying we should eliminate amateur SGM. We need amateur artists. It is from this pool of talent that the professionals of tomorrow will come. But the key word here is “tomorrow.”
When they earn, EARN, their way into the professional ranks, they will be welcomed with open arms. Until that time we need to do all we can to train and nurture them, and teach them how to become professional.

Anyone who rips off one of these “newbies” should be “tarred and feathered” and hung from the giant screen TV at the National Quartet Convention.

OUR AMATEUR ARTISTS DESERVE BETTER.

I like this famous quote: “The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”

Folks, let’s stop doing “NOTHING.” Let’s start taking names and kicking tails. It’s time we reclaimed our industry. If you agree with me I ask you to help me. You can forward this article to anyone you think can help, pro group owners, professional record label heads, industry leaders, and your friends.

Remember… “If it’s to be, it’s up to me.”

As always, I welcome your comments,

God Bless You,

Nick Bruno
http://www.nickbruno.com

About This Article - Southern Gospel Music vs. Bizarro Southern Gospel Music

Nick Bruno's avatar Author: Nick Bruno | Author's Website: http://www.nickbruno.com/
Written: 07/02/2008 | Category: The Gospel Truth Comments: 52
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  1.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/02/2008

    Hey.. Jim2, I'm also curious also about Nick naming names...but being the gentleman he is, I doubt he would use this forum to do so. I believe he meant that in the day to day interaction between INDUSTRY professionals there should be a willingness to admit and confront the truth.

    Isn't that what he said?

    To quote him, "We allow representatives of these companies to join our various organizations, sit on boards, attend meetings, and vote on matters of great importance to our industry. What we should be doing is identifying these folks and calling their hand. “Hey you, yes you… your company, your magazine, your station, your group, your organization is doing things that are damaging to our industry. You and those like you are not welcome here. Please leave!It is not right for companies and individuals who damage our industry to receive recognition from the professionals. By turning the other cheek to their unscrupulous business practices we are allowing them access to our side of the fence, when what we should be doing is throwing the bums out."

    THIS IS A LOT DIFFERENT THAN SIMPLY SLANDERING SOMEONE ON A WEBSITE. Nick is too much of a nice guy to be that mean.... though it would be fun to read.

  2.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/02/2008

    OH.. by the way.. EXCELLENT article Nick.

  3.    Leebob ~ 07/03/2008

    Yet another great article Nick!

    I would say that from an amateur standpoint there are two divisions as well: "visionary" and "clueless". This is where there is a far greater discrepancy between talented and non-talented.

    The "visionary" has an idea of what quality should be and strives to obtain that quality. The "visionary" understands where he is at and seeks outside help to improve. These "visionary" amateurs are necessary to minister to the small to mid-size churches that cannot afford the "professionals". The "visionaries" are necessary to help the small to mid-size churches stay connected to what is happening in SG. The "visionaries" are the bridge for many who don't know about SG to understand that it is more than "The Heavenly Highway Hymns."

    The "clueless" go to open mics and have the elderly lady tell them how wonderful they are when they don't quite reach that high note. The "clueless" refuse any outside advice because somehow they manage to maintain a "schedule" and think they are fine. The "clueless" trio has nice individual sound but seldom fill a complete triad. The "clueless" quartet has good pieces but doesn't know how to get the most out of their parts to make a solid group yet don't seek the outside help to improve. They have their own studio and record but do not use an outside ear to make much needed adjustments. It is the "clueless" with enough money to buy their way into a "contract" and give the "visionaries" who hold out for the real deal at the right time a bad name. Is it really a "contract" if you are the one doing all the giving?

    This is the BIGGEST issue we face when trying to reach new congregations. They have had such horrible experiences they just don't want to take the chance with another group. We work hard to make our demo packet look professional, our music sound professional, and our stage presentation appear professional. You could call me a "visionista" who would like to eliminate this other group for the betterment of SG. Any ideas?

  4.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/03/2008

    JJ,
    I'll admit I am not a faithful reader of this site, but it seems that every time I have read one of Nick's articles, it is about the same thing (not that there is anything wrong with professionalism and accountability) and I applaud him for his consistency and commitment to excellence in the industry.
    That being said, he also constantly refers to these "phantom" evil people, an believe me, I've heard enough poorly produced bad singers to know it's true. But face it, the folks who are in it just to make money off of the newbies are not going to be fazed by a stern talking to and a finger waved in their face. If it's Lighthouse promotions, then say it's Lighthouse, if it's Heritage or Earl or SueAnn, say it. (I'm not an insider, so I just wrote some names I've heard, but Nick must know, or he wouldn't be harping on it for lo these many months) I'm not asking him to slander anyone, and I understand if that is the fear in this public forum, but I always thought if it was true, it wasn't slander.

  5.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/03/2008

    Hey Nick,

    Just so will know, this is Lacy with The Glorymen. I always read your posts on this website. I will say I still think of a lot of you. But I feel I have to respond to this article.

    Let me say when we perform live, I have abosolutely no problem getting on stage with anyone, I don't care who they are. Now when you get into the studio, things are different and many flaws are revealed when you are recording. However, if the producer does what he is supposed to do, these flaws can be corrected.

    In 2005 we decided to record with Song Garden Music Group because you were the VP. That was our deciding factor. When the recording was completed, we never were satisfied. I listened to the finished product one time and have never listened to it again. That is how disappointing it was.

    I have read many of your articles since that time and the striking thing is when you say don't allow this particular event to occur, it is exactly what you did to us.

    After much prayer and conversation with my right arm, Wayne, we decided to stay with Song Garden after you left. I will have to say it is the best decision we have made to this date.

    We just completed a new project with Song Garden on their Grapevine Label. David Staton produced the project and while I will say we had many hurdles to overcome, the final product was fantastic. Just to show the difference, the first project we did, that you produced, I have never listened to it again. The project David just produced, I can't quit listening to it, and it just the rough mix, it is not the completed mix. I can't hardly wait until we get it back. Also the songs, they are from many different writers. They are not songs that were given to several different artists to record, resulting in different groups with one label recording the same songs. Know what I mean?

    Nick, while I still think a lot of you, I think you need to examine what you are saying, and practice what you preach.

    The main difference between the first project we did with Song Garden and the one we just completed is when you were there, it seems all you were interested in was the money. The project we just completed with David Staton, he is interested in the artist. There in lies a major difference. That is why, in my opinion there is a difference in "Professional" and "Amateur" groups. We all, many times, have the same abilities, it is what the producer can make you do that makes the difference.

    Nick, I don't mean this ugly but xometimes we need to practice what we preach.

    Lacy

  6.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/03/2008

    I hate to see the kind of un-Christlike post that Lacy Pittman just posted. He closes it by saying, "I don't mean to be ugly", but what part of the post was NOT ugly, Lacy?

    I think that Lacy was trying to be mean spirited. And who really cares that Lacy like David Staton better? What does that have to do with this column or the response? It's evident that Lacy has an ax to grind.. or maybe someone at Song Garden does.

    And I'll say that I find Nick to be EXACTLY the opposite of the way Lacy describes him. I guess beauty - or lack of it - is in the eye of the beholder. I don't mean to be ugly, Lacy, but if you held and hold these things against Nick.. why didn't you email him privately? That would have been the Christlike thing to do.

  7.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/03/2008

    Having been involved in SGM for several years, I readily agree with Mr. Bruno. There are numerous groups and individuals performing at a sub-standard level and yet have a ultra-glamourized view of themselves that is beyond comprehension. I have become so weary working with individuals who have little, if any, musical knowledge, not to mention talent. I have friends who refuse to listen to SGM because of this and have turned to contemporary music exclusively. I continue to support many of the wonderful groups out there such as the Hoppers, Booth Brothers, etc.. My earnest prayer for SGM is they will raise the standard.

  8.    David Bruce Murray ~ 07/03/2008

    "Folks, let’s stop doing “NOTHING.” Let’s start taking names and kicking tails."

    When he wrote these words, I'll bet Nick didn't expect the first name brought up to be his own! Some may view it as "un-Christlike," but let's be fair. Nick did call for the sort of response he got from Lacy Pittman, and not just in a general way.

  9.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/03/2008

    I disagree with you Mr. Murray.

    My comment was addressing the fact that Mr. Pittman OBVIOUSLY has a LONG HELD GRUDGE against Nick because he didn't like the way his project turned out. His comments were not made in a spirit of HELPING to raise the standard of SGM (which is the point of the article) but were MADE to vent his annoyance at Nick.

    And he is using a public forum to say so. Many artists - amateur and professional - have had the experience of being disappointed in a recording project. It doesn't mean the producer is someone who is the way Mr. Pittman describes Nick.

    It's a fact of the music business that some people like some producers better than other producers.

    AND we are only hearing HIS SIDE of the story. So we don't know WHAT he didn't like OR if he discussed his dissatisfaction with Nick OR if Nick tried to do anything to fix the problem.
    Or if it was simply a new artist who expected something his talent couldn't match. I've never heard the Glorymen so I don't know.
    There's a difference between naming names and calling names.
    The first one is to protect the innocent, and the second is to attack them.

    There was a mean-spirited vendetta in Mr. Pittman's post - which is my point. And I, personally, feel that it is unloving and unkind and unChristlike.

    That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

  10.    ransomed ~ 07/04/2008

    ransomed's avatar I am with songwriter on this one.

    I assume that this group worked directly with Nick the whole time, and not that he was only a part of the process with several others.

    I went to this group's website to find some clips or something so as to make a fair assessment. There were not any so I emailed for someplace to go to hear them. There wasn't a direct email link, just a form to fill out that in my opinion was not done very well. I left a comment asking for a link to their music and also that they needed a new webmaster because the colors were not web-friendly.

    Anyway, my point is that if someone is going to attack someone's integrity to this extent publicly be sure they can back it up. Before I comment further I hope to hear something of this group. I have my theories, but need some questions answered first.

    Ransomed

    Go therefore, and teach all nations,...

  11.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/04/2008

    I can imagine what Mr Pittans group must sound like. If you dont have the voices that are professional enough, Gaithers bunch couldnt make you sound good.

  12.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/04/2008

    My vote is with songwriter on this.

  13.    David Bruce Murray ~ 07/04/2008

    I have no idea what Pittman's group sounds like. I was merely observing the irony of the whole situation.

    20 or 30 people will almost always respond when a strongly worded column like this is written saying, "Right on?" I've been one who wholeheartedly agrees with much of what Nick Bruno writes, so I understand that. What I don't understand is why anyone who does the very thing this article asked for "must have a vendetta," etc.

    If you applaud one person for saying names should be named, why would you attack another person for actually doing it?

    It seems the SG fan is usually delighted with general negativity about the industry. The response is uniformly polar opposite when specific negativity is displayed, though. You say you agree 100%, but your action show that you really DON'T want anyone to take that step and be named.

    Somewhere in between, there must be some solution. I'm not agreeing with Pittman, because I don't know what actually happened in that situation.

    I'm simply noting that Nick Bruno did ask his readers to "admit it" and root out the people who are profiting off of the second type of amateurs he mentioned in his article.

  14.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/04/2008

    Well, I continue to disagree with you and I believe you are missing my point.

    I think there is a distinction to be made between someone who is profiting off amateurs and someone who is DECEIVING them. Making a profit by producing a custom album is not a crime. Nick readily admits that he spends a great deal of time doing custom albums for amateur groups.

    He says: Some of these groups are pretty good, and they desire to be the best they can be, but they have no illusions of grandeur. I work with many groups like this and I can tell you, I love it. It’s singing for the best of reasons…because you love it.

    Nick's POINT is that many companies are DECEIVING these new artists and PROMISING THINGS THEY WILL NOT and CANNOT DELIVER.

    I believe the story is clear if you read Mr. Pittman's own remarks. He says,
    "when you get into the studio, things are different and many flaws are revealed when you are recording. However, if the producer does what he is supposed to do, these flaws can be corrected."

    Translation: We didn't sound as good as we thought we would when we actually recorded our first album and Nick didn't fix our vocals as well as we would have liked him to.

    NICK'S focus seems to be on industry people who are DECEIVING amateurs. Is Mr. Pittman saying he was deceived by Nick because Mr.Pittman didn't realize how HE actually sounded?

  15.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/04/2008

    After my initial post, I had no intention of responding any further. Some of the posts do not even deserve a response. However, I am responding to Songwriter.

    It is very apparent you are either a close personal friend of associate of Nick’s and let me say I applaud and respect you for your loyalty. However, you do not know ME, how I sing or anything else about me. Since that is the case let me give a short history, not that I really need to. I started singing Southern Gospel Music in a quartet when I was fifteen years old. I am now 52 and have been singing all my life. I sang baritone for 27 years and for the last several years I’ve been singing bass. I was a music major in college when I first started and devoted all my time to music. I know there is no such thing as four part harmony unless you are singing a seventh or some other chord that will allow for the fourth part. I also know most SGM is written using chords I, IV and V during most of the song, which means there are only three notes with the bass doubling on either the tenor or the lead. I know there is no difference in “family” harmony and any other harmony, harmony is harmony. Families just are fortunate enough to have the same diction. I could go on, but there is no real need to do so.

    All I have ever wanted to do is sing, and sing about Jesus. That is all. When we decided to try and take the “next step” it sure wasn’t to ever appear on main stage at the quartet convention, and it wasn’t for personal gain, it was to open doors where we could travel and go to places we have never been before simply to mention the name of Jesus. That is the only reason.

    When I referred to “flaws” in my original post, I meant when you get in the studio, with headphones on, folks may hit the last note of a phrase, especially the vowel sounds a little flat, or as many would say they “shave the note” a little. That is what we experienced. As for me personally, I try to push too hard, trying to sing bass like I did when I sang baritone, hitting notes sharp. The thing is we hear it and correct it when we are allowed. Singing live, we have no problem, and the harmony is there. I’ve heard groups where you have two people singing the same notes. That will not happen in any group I may be associated with.

    When you stated I was being un-Christlike and mean spirited, let me say if stating the factual truth is un-Christlike and mean spirited, then I guess I am guilty. But I did base my comments on fact, even though I did not lay out the details, not just on opinion or what I think.

    Now I will try to say what I meant and you may have to read somewhat between the lines.

    Professional groups, when they record spend 3 to 10 days in the studio working on vocals. That is why their recording projects sound so good. This goes back to the person producing the project, which is what they are being paid to do. I guarantee you if any “professional” group spent 6 hours in a recording studio laying down vocals, the project would not sound that good. That is basically how long we spent in the studio the first time we recorded with what we thought was the label for us to record with. We spent 4 days on our last project and you can tell a major difference.

    Now referring back to the original article. For the past several years these articles seem to attack the SGM industry and indicate what all is bad with it. Well I consider anyone who sings, whether you call them weekend warriors, weekend groups or regional groups, amateurs. The groups who sing for a living are the “Professionals.” Trust me, I’ve heard many weekend groups who sound as good as anyone singing. The other major aspect of this is just about every “amateur” group I know sings local to where they live. They have a following of people who love to hear them sing, it doesn’t matter what they sound like. The major part of this is they lead people to Christ, and I don’t care how you or anyone else tries to spin it, that is the major reason. If you are in it for the money, notoriety or personal recognition, then I believe that is wrong. God gave us the talents to do what we do; we sure didn’t acquire them on our own. Besides, I don’t how it is where you live but around my home the local gospel stations only play “The Professionals”. If a local group has a recording that is released as a single, the local radio stations still consider the group a “local” group and will not play their music. So how do we come up with this idea?

    You know, I would ask this question, on what empirical evidence is this article based. What studies have been conducted to substantiate the fact that Amateur group’s problem with Southern Gospel Music, if in fact there is something wrong with it.

    Now I will give my opinion as everyone else has stated “opinions”. The problem with SGM, if there is there are people in the industry who are concerned only with themselves and personal gain. This leads to division and folks working against each other rather than working together. If we would come together, work together and all have a common goal, that of spreading the word, and take out the personal part of it, I wonder how far the industry, if that is how you wish to refer to it, would progress.

    The other thing that comes to mind, again just opinion, I believe we are living in the last days, according to the Bible, and Jesus indicated in the last days we Christians would be hated for his name sake. That is where I think we are. I remember a time 30 years ago when you could have an all night gospel sing with just local groups and people getting together to form a quartet and pack the venue. They would stay all night long. Now, the crowds are smaller and seemingly getting worse. I think it is a sign of the times.

    I personally don’t listen to rock or country music. It is not because “Amatuers” are singing the songs, it is simply because I don’t care for that type of music. Ever thought that is why people don’t listen to Southern Gospel.

    By the way, if it makes you feel good to attack me, then go ahead and do it all you want.

    Lacy

  16.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/04/2008

    I do know Nick, yes. That's why I read his column every month -but that's not why I made my comments. Someone with his long history in SGM and stellar reputation does not need to be defended.

    In addition, I too love the Lord as you do Mr. Pittman. My sincerity and yours is not in question. I just don't like it when I see someone using a public forum to say something that should be said privately between two Christians. This is what the BIBLE teaches.

    Although it's obvious that Nick COULD name names - he does not. NOT HERE. And I don't believe he is advocating that either. I believe that ANYONE reading this column clearly understands he meant in the boardrooms, in the committees, at the conventions, he feels people who are SCAMMING artist by LYING TO THEM should be exposed.

    Evidently, you are reading a different column than I am every month. His goal seems to be to encourage HONESTY and INTEGRITY in SGM.

    Being unhappy with one recording project he produced does not make him in to someone who cheats people. I'm sure there are other groups out there who would say exactly the opposite about a Nick Bruno produced project.

    In my opinion, you are and were annoyed at Nick and used this forum to take a shot at him. I am not attacking you, I am stating my opinion - as you stated yours.

  17.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/04/2008

    Nick, I always enjoy your articles and appreciate the way you lay it all on the table. Just to show a parallel, I am a cabinetmaker by trade and have been involved with this industry since the late 1960's and have been plagued by the unprofessionals who are infiltrating the industry. I am retired now due to a disabling injury, but before I left the industry, I was having to bid against these same people who were cutting prices and getting some jobs. I even had some of the people who gave the jobs to some of these people call me later to "fix' some problems left by the other cabinet makers. I even had one job where I was beaten on the bid, where I provided the materials for the other person to do the job, who was doing it for "$200 less than whatever" I bid. He mishandled the oak and it was never the same, because he let the moisture content rise to a bad level before using it. So, there are those in every industry. They will always be with us. They will probably never realize why they never made it. They will just wake up one day and see that there is no place to sing anymore. So I say just let them sing. I will listen to whom I want, will support whom I want, where they be local, pros, regional or whatever. We had a group at our church, who were real favorites of our church this past weekend. One of the singers introduced a song he had written called"Down on her knees". and said it was more a contemporary song than S.G. I told him after church not to put labels on them, to just keep writing songs like that, and it didn't to be placed in a genre, just sing it.Billijoe

  18.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/05/2008

    Sir:

    I have been a follower of SG for most of my life - I am a music educator, by the way. I am convinced that SG has an inferiority complex: it isn't satisfied with being itself.

  19.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/05/2008

    Elaine Harcourt's avatar A great article, Nick.

    God is good all the time & all the time God is good. 

    Elaine Harcourt

  20.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/05/2008

    Sir -

    I have felt for some years that SG has an inferiority complex. Instead of being what it is, too often the push is to be like other styles of music. In doing so, SG is lost in the mix.

  21.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/05/2008

    Deon Unthank's avatar Lacy, I have to agree with songwriter. You seem to have a personal chip on your shoulder with Nick. These types of problems should first be handled privately, not on a public forum.

    Most professional projects cost in the $50,000 range. I don't know, but I would bet that you and your group didn't spend that much money on your sessions. You spent four days on your last project. Was that four days on vocals, which would be 36 hours, or was it four days for the entire project. If it was four days on the vocals, did you pay the same price for this CD as you did the one Nick produced for you? You made mention that you haven't been singing Bass that long. Is it possible that you have actually improved on your Bass singing to the extent that it would have made a better project? I notice that you do not have any music on your webpage, except for a poor quality video, so it is very hard to determine if your sound is as good as you think it to be.

    Did you hear how bad your first CD sounded before it went to press? Did you say something about it?
    Even with the world of ProTools, only so much can be done to correct pitchiness and shaved tones.

    You have made some bold accusations against Nick without evidence, like putting your CD on your website so others could be the judge as to if it was Nick's fault or just a disgruntled artist who isn't as good as they think they are. I'm not saying that you are a disgruntled artist, I'm saying that we can't tell because you have just made accusations with no evidence.

    I must admit though that I get a little suspicious when someone tells me that they can't stop listening to their own CD. Most people have the same reaction to some extent of not liking how they or their CD sounds when they hear it. It's common nature not to like the way you sound. That's why, if you are going to make accusations like this, you need to give us something to hear so that we can tell in an unbiased way.

    Deon Unthank
    SoGospelNews.com
    My Blog

    Some people are like Slinkys…  Not really good for anything, but they
    still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs -  Author Unknown

  22.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/05/2008

    Thanks Deon,

    You are 100% right. They should not blame their problem on Nick. It is and has been proven that Nick is a great producer. Go Nick.
    You have my vote.

  23.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/06/2008

    Well..thanks Deon. Appreciate that.

  24.    Betty Tilley GSG Radio ~ 07/06/2008

    Unfortunely a lot of amateur artist will remain amateur artist because we do not have $50,000.00 to spend on a project. When I recorded my second cd, The budget that I had only allowed me to have 6 hours for the music and 6 hours for the vocals. When I did my vocals I ended up using only 4 hours. You are rushed through when you do not have the budget that will allow you to spend a great deal of money on a project. If you do it right, It can sound as good as the 50,000.00 cd. Even the most talented people have a hard time in the studio. That is why they spend hours on a song. A lot of people learn the song in the studio. Artist that do not have the budget to do this need to take the music home and practice it to death for at leat six weeks so the can get good quality with the six hours they have to record. I agree that there are companies that a ripping off people with no talent.
    Without the funds an amateur with a lot of talent will never make it to the professional level. I have heard of people drawing out their retirement trying to get there. I also feel that there are some artist that are on the porfessional level that made it with money not necessary talent. Talent wise there are amatuers that are just as good as them. The music industry is money driven now, not talent driven. You use to have to earn your way. Now you can buy your way.

    Saying all of that, I agree with Nick about the bad music. I really think the charts should be taken away. I love to play quality music on GSG Radio. I do not like bad talent music. A lot of Cds and compilations that I get, I do not even use one song off of. On the other hand my partner thinks that if a person pays to be on a compilation that it should get at least some air play. He may put a song on for a while that I would not have place on the station. We all have diffent opinions on what sounds good.

  25.    Tim Henry ~ 07/07/2008

    Tim Henry's avatar As usual...Good article Nick! What you are explaining has been going on since the 80's.

  26.    Gayla ~ 07/07/2008

    Great article, Nick!

  27.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/07/2008

    WHAT? Are you people nuts. Nick asked for people to be honest. Why is it the few loyal readers of Nicks mush are ticked it actually worked against him. you all should be ashamed for bashing Lacey for doing exactly what Nick asked of him to do. Nicks articles always bash folks for helping or taking the new artist down the road...But, its all working in his favor because thats all that he produces.Its a sales pitch guys. Nick writes as a savor of the little guy...and the little guy flocks him for help. I am not ignorant to his practices. And everyone should be ashamed for turning on Mr Lacey....if Mr Lacey had outed someone other than the writer of the article <Nick> everyone would have praised Nick for his pre tar and feather conventio....But it happened to bite him and now you all are angry. No artist in southern pays 50,000 for an album. Lacey stated he paid the same amount with David Staton and got a smooth deal-So it wasnt the money- it was Nick.
    Simon

  28.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/07/2008

    Simon Clayton has twisted the story around. I will stick with Nick.

  29.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/07/2008

    Deon Unthank's avatar Mr. Simon, I'm not sure who you think is nuts, but it's no one here. Seems you forget that there are two sides to every argument and only one side was given here. It was obvious that it was a personal attack on Nick, and not an addition to the article. As I stated, Mr. Lacy made his rant without any evidence. We were not privy to hearing what he thought was terrible as opposed to what he thought was perfect. I don't believe that anyone "bashed" Mr. Lacy, however we do have every right to question him about the situation.

    So, no one should be ashamed and many groups DO pay $50,000 for CDs in SGM.

    Deon Unthank
    SoGospelNews.com
    My Blog

    Some people are like Slinkys…  Not really good for anything, but they
    still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs -  Author Unknown

  30.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/08/2008

    First of all, I have nothing against Mr. Pittman. I don't know him, but he seems sincere enough. He is my brother in the Lord.

    Secondly,I'm genuinely sorry for him that he didn't like his first recording project. I can only imagine how excited he was to get in the studio, and I am, honestly sorry for him and his disappointment. Futhermore, he is entitled to believe that Nick didn't do a good job as a producer. No one hits a home run every time they're at bat. Maybe (and we don't know the whole story) Nick didn't produce a good album for his group. I wonder if Nick will tell us HIS side?

    My ONE and ONLY point is that he should have resolved it with Nick privately. Period. Not on a public forum. This is why I posted my post. I don't care about the quality of the singing.. whatever the disagreement -it should have be handled in private.

    AND the fact that HE chose to PUBLICLY BASH Nick is the ONLY reason HE is having people disagree with him. He shouldn't have used a public forum to vent a private disagreement. And that's why I posted the post.

    THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO CONNECTION BETWEEN WHAT NICK WAS ADVOCATING - to identify industry leaders who are DECEIVING new artists - AND A DISGRUNTLED PERSON AIRING A PERSONAL GRIEVANCE IN PUBLIC.

    BUT..I've got some questions for Simon. Let's review some things you said in your post. OK?

    YOU SAID: "You all should be ashamed for bashing Lacey for doing exactly what Nick asked of him to do" -

    Why should we be ashamed? Why should we be ashamed to point out that Mr. Lacy had an OBVIOUS chip on his shoulder toward Nick? I'm not ashamed. I think he didn't follow Scriptural mandates which teach us what to do when we have a personal grievance against a brother in the Lord. "GO TO HIM PRIVATELY" - the Gospels say. That's the first step. We don't know what Nick may have done to try and resolve the situation. Do we? Nope... we don't. We don't know if the group got the BEST product they could have given the money they paid and the talent they have? Nope, we don't. And that's why Jesus told us to do these kinds of things PRIVATELY. There is ALWAYS two sides to EVERY story.

    YOU SAID: "Nicks articles always bash folks for helping or taking the new artist down the road."

    ARE YOU CRAZY? What articles? Where? When does he BASH new artists? When he says, -"Folks, get a line item budget!" - this is bashing folks??? When he tells us,"Don't buy a bus too soon..it will destroy your future in SGM!' THIS IS BASHING? You've got to do a lot of word twisting to take a column that is trying to PROTECT new artists and call it bashing them. It seems there's a pattern here to who you're calling a basher. YOU can BASH Nick but when someone disagrees with YOU then they're the bashers? What a great planet you live on - you've got the right to destroy someone with your words, but if someone tries to say "That wasn't kind" then THEY are bashing? Please.

    YOU SAID: "But, its all working in his favor because thats all that he produces.Its a sales pitch guys. Nick writes as a savor of the little guy...and the little guy flocks him for help. I am not ignorant to his practices"

    I don't recall Nick calling himself SavIor of anything? Can you point out which month, in which article he describes himself that way? He doesn't. Nor does he hide the fact that he produces a great deal of custom albums for the little guy. So what's your point? Are you annoyed that he's getting business? It is OBVIOUS that you have some kind of personal history with Nick that continues to bug you.

    YOU SAID: "Lacey stated he paid the same amount with David Staton and got a smooth deal-So it wasnt the money- it was Nick."

    I just re-read both of his Lacy's posts and I don't see anywhere that he says he paid the same amount of money for both projects. So where are you getting your information? Again, it is EVIDENT that you are biased against Nick.. for some reason. What is the REAL reason?

    And what is the deal with always mentioning David Staton? I mean, seriously, WHY is that the main point all the time? OK. So he took over when Nick and Song Garden parted ways. OK. You like him better. OK. So? What? What's the point?

    IN my first post, I was simply stating that I thought it wasn't nice to post his personal comments on a public forum. But NOW... I believe that there is more to this NICK BASHING than meets the eye.

    I think that someone, somewhere in this particular circle of people is getting great delight in BASHING a really nice man.

    And if you can work it out with Jesus, maybe you can twist the words of the Gospels the same way you've twisted the words of Nick's articles and convince yourself that you can have such OBVIOUS UNFORGIVENESS toward another Christian and use a public forum to attack him.

    Let's pray this bad blood can be covered by The Blood. And I have to applaud Nick for not coming to his own defense, but being a gentleman and taking the high road.

  31.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/08/2008

    srwjones's avatar I would like to expand on Mr. McCammon's comments. Maybe we need to focus on being the best gospel quartet performers we can be and not worry so much about how to expand our music market share. When gospel quartets were on top during the 50s and 60s, the popular music of the day (that which was selling the most) was the music of the doo-wop groups featuring high falsettos and low basses. During the 70s the music was still featuring part-singing and a lead feature with background vocals. Listen to the music today. With the exception of an occasional boy-band, you don't see groups harmonizing and making it big in pop music.

    Maybe SG is more comparable to barbershop quartets. Those pro guys (and gals/the Sweet Adelines) are wonderful! Incredible harmonies and showmanship. Anyone who hears them usually genuinely enjoys their experience. However, they do not seem to be gaining a larger share of the market. They are content barbershopping and doing a great job at it.

    One other personal note. I'm involved in convention-style music. As much as we reminisce about "Heavenly Parade" and how fun that was to hear/sing, no one seems to want to tackle that style of music anymore. Still, I enjoy the writing such songs. By doing so, if that becomes my only role, I'll never gain popularity as a songwriter outside a handful of people no matter how good I might get at it. As far as pro versus amateur, I think of Bill and Gloria Gaither as teachers HAVING to leave their profession in order to keep up with the demand for their music. I am a teacher and have yet to have demand for my music take away from my day job! To give up my day job and try to force it would likely be catastrophic. It all goes back to what is popular...what the people WANT.

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  32.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/08/2008

    I can't say that I have been a long time reader of Nicks column...but I can say that I have read every one of them since I came across them.

    Nick produced a project for some friends of mine a few years back - and in looking up information on him in the fairly recent past I came across these articles and I have read each and every one. I have also read from, cover to cover, his book "The Gospel Music Truth". I think Nick makes a lot of sense on many topics. My only "gripe" if you will about this column and his ongoing topic of "what's wrong with this industy" is that among all of the information about "beware the people that will take advantage of the newbie" - I don't see anything that directs me on where to go and find the people I can trust.

    There is much mention of the people in the industry that will lead you astray and take advantage of you - and Nick often states that "those in the industry know who they are". The main problem I see is this......I am NOT in the mainstream of this industry. I am the proverbial "weekend warrior" that gets mentioned so often. The quartet I sing with is pretty salty, and we sing 99% original music - some of which you might not even want to hear on a hootenanny stage, but some that are very much anointed and could likely be on a much more grand scale.........if we knew how to do it.

    If you don't want to name names of those to avoid - then I think it would be a huge help to at least name those that are above board and who can help an artist along. I realize Nick offers these services - and I realize they are for a fee. But he isn't the only soul out there that is a good person in the industry.

    The main problem of these "amatuers" is that we don't know what we don't know. And frankly, Nick Bruno may be the catalyst to take my group (or any other) to the next level - but I don't know that...and I can't make that judgement without knowing what other "good guys" are out there. So my plea would be - if you don't want to tell us who to stay away from....then tell us who the good guys are....I can research all day long, but in the end it's a coin flip if I'm aligning with the right person or not...if I don't know any different.

    The "amatuers" among us can't "afford" to make the wrong decision - because that may be the one that takes all the funds we have and we may never have that opportunity to learn from my mistakes and try again. So again - I would say - tell me who the good guys are....If Nick is the best choice, anyone who did their due diligence would find that out and his abilities would stand on their own merit.

    I enjoy the candid input, I look forward to the next monthly addition, but I would ask that instead of just telling us what is wrong...take a step and tell us what or who is right and what they can do for my career.

    In the end it matters not, unless God is leading the way.....but with God, talent, and the correct people...maybe the "visionary amatuers" among us could advance to another level.

  33.    David B. Murray ~ 07/10/2008

    David B. Murray's avatar Jbari,
    Send me $500, and I'll give you a list of individuals in the industry who are trying to take your money. For $1000, I'll also tell you who isn't. If anyone else wants the same info, just remember, you must act today. It's only going to be offered for a limited time!!

    (If it works out as well as I hope, I can retire early!)

    - - - - -

    Ignore all I just wrote, of course. You are dead on target with your suggestions and questions.

    “Always acknowledge a fault. This will throw those in authority off their guard and give you an opportunity to commit more.”—-Mark Twain

  34.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/10/2008

    Could it possibly be that the difference in the Glorymen projects is 3 years of experience ?
    A producer can only do so much. Even with the advances the recording industry has made in the last few years,time will put a limit on how far you can go. So I ask again, honestly could it be that the extra time, experience, and practice made more of a difference than who produced the product?
    You can pick any SGM group you wish and listen to their sound tighten with time and experience.
    I know groups that Nick has delt with in the past, and groups he is dealing with at this very moment. And you are the first person I have ever heard spout such nonsence. To the absolute contrary every one I have ever talked to about Nick Bruno has used words such as Gentelman, Caring, Concerned, and most of all Christian.
    Unfortunatley money does have to be a concern when it comes to a recording project. I own a SMALL custom recording studio, and to stay inside a budget that a group may set, time to fix every bad note sung by a less experienced group just may not be available.
    All I am trying to say is, lets be careful to not blame someone else for a problem that time and experience is the only real fix for.

    Nick, stay on that soapbox brother. I look forward to the next sermon.

  35.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/10/2008

    jbari,
    wow! You are a much nicer person than I. I guess it would have been more productive for me to phrase my initial question the way you did. I hope you get a more definitive answer. As you've seen by the discussion, every producer can have a bad day or session or just not mesh with a particular group. Your best bet would be to read liner notes of stuff you like, talk to those folks and if you can't afford them, see who they recommend - then ask for references of groups they have dealt with who spent the same kind of money you are willing to part with. I know that Johnny Sansom and Rick Schweinsberg do good work in the Nashville area (Hendersonville), but even then I would say to check their resume and talk to folks in your area who have used them. Anyone who is reputable should be able to give you a LONG list of satisfied customers.

  36.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/10/2008

    Jim2:

    I wrote this response - then went back and have edited it down because I wrote a NOVEL to start with. Now trying to abbreviate it to a short story. But man...my novel had some good points in it. HA HA Maybe I can bring them out in condensed version.

    I guess you are correct in that I pretty much said the same thing you did - just a different way!

    I can see both sides of this picture - obviously Nick feels he can't call out people on the forum -whether it be for personal, spiritual, or legal reasons. Not to mention, maybe sogospelnews.com has specifically told him he couldn't. I can respect that position, but I don't know if I 100% agree with it.

    Would it not seem logical that as passionate as Nick is, in this internet venue, about these issues....that he would be equally passionate about it outside of this venue and very likely would approach the "bad apples" directly and try to convince them to see the error of their ways and how they could potentially be hurting the industry as a whole?

    Now lets say he has made that contact with these people/companies, voiced his concerns - and they choose to continue the status quo. At what point does one say - I have tried to handle this correctly - they chose to continue to be "bad apples" so now it's time to call them on it?

    Just my take - I still like the columns, I read them all - and I'd love to work with Nick.

  37.    Ben Harris ~ 07/12/2008

    Ben Harris's avatar There are very few people who I would trust to produce a project on our group, mainly because we are blessed to have veteran, seasoned talent within the group, that know recording backwards and forwards. One of those people I would trust is Nick Bruno. I have often wondered what could be learned from someone outside our group. My old buddy Terry Blackwood would be another I wouldn't mind working with. But trust me, there are very few inside southern gospel that I would give free rein to.

  38.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/18/2008

    Gospel music needs to be about making money and earning a living again. That way the singers could actually stop lying on the stage when they say they aren't doing it for money. We might actually have groups that can pay their members what they're worth and keep em on the bus.

  39.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/18/2008

    Nick,

    Although we have never met, i have followed your career many years and realize you have a lifetime comittment to SGM.
    Your articles are always interesting and to the point. I AGREE nearly all of the time. We need men like you in the industry. I also enjoy reading the comments. This is where i just sat on the pin cushoin.
    Lacy of the Glorymen has called you out, so to speak. But here is my problem. Lacy, i have been in southern gospel radio for more than twenty years.
    I have listened to your project, in its entirety. I think you just exemplified what Nick is writing. You dear brother, just spoke up for the bizarro family of artists. It appears that you have decided the problem with your last recording was the result of Nick. Let me share a thought. I receive more than 50 different compilations in a year's time. All asking for my time to listen and for airplay. Not to mention the importance of scripturely sound lyrics, the quality of vocals...and tracks..can be recognized in just seconds of a song.
    Very few merit airplay for a station that is listener supported and demands the very best. Although Song Garden began with a solid line-up of artists, they were received very well by radio, from the onstart. If it were not for Nick, Your label woul not be getting the airplay recognition. And Lacey, we do not play all of their artists. Get the point. The first thing in the above article in which i do agree, is Nick's statement.."First, admit it!"

  40.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/31/2008

    Hello Everyone. I have read alot of the posts and I have to say, I see both sides. I think it is a little strong to say The gentlemen was Un-Christ like or mean spirited about his Recording with Nick. If thats what happened then the man has a right to voice his opinion. But in my humble opinion, Nick is very talented, and has produced some great recordings, I sure everyone can agree with that. The only thing I tend to disagree with is, what can he do to further a groups success. Yes he can make them a great recording but I think that is it. Other than that you try to make the best music you can, book dates, and go sing. I know there is alot of things groups try to do like Radio Promotions,Record company, Booking agents but what will these things do for you other than take your money. There has been alot of groups shut down out there and I think if there was a magic solution there would be groups standing in line. I think it is pretty simple. Make good recordings and if you want to be full time, quit your jobs and book 200 plus dates.

  41.    Leebob ~ 08/01/2008

    We have three "homemade" cd's. The first one we felt was good for a first project on our budget but we were not satisfied. On the second project there was a marked improvement over the first, both in the vocals and the mix, partly because I pulled my self out of the mixing process. The third project was better than the second because we were doing what we were supposed to do...improve.

    Lacy, is it possible your group just simply improved that much? Did the group consist of the same people on both projects? Can you not hire a webmaster where we can get a taste of this "wonderful" project that perhaps we may want to go with that producer instead?

    Professionalism is not just how your project sounds. It infiltrates the whole system from the first contact, your arrival and performance, how you treat those you are ministering to, follow up, the way your project looks and sounds, and how you handle yourself in a public forum such as this. Notice I said nothing about a $50,000 project (yes they do exist, i.e. Hoppers and Booth Brothers for starters) or anything resembling money. Professionalism is an attitude not a dollar figure. I am hoping that you mantioned this to Nick directly before bringing it here. I am not nearly disappointed in what you said as with the tone in which it was stated.

    I have asked Nick directly about promotional and producing groups and he has been very frank with me yet kind. I would not expect him to throw these same people under the bus publicly due to his professionalism. However, if you have a question about a producer and ask him directly he will be honest with you.

  42.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 08/01/2008

    I am amazed that Mr Pittman has submitted a retorical. Once again! Mr Pittman, read Nick's article once more! You sir are speaking out for "The Bizarros".
    I would not be suprised if everyone who read your reply, did not feel the same way i feel.
    Remember, Nick has been in the business for many years too. Keep in mind that most all who read such articles and view this periodical, knows the difference of three and four part harmony. Nick was not speaking about sharps and flats in the manner of vocalizing. But in the quality itself.
    As i mentioned, i lisened to your recording. And found it to be very rough. But the tracks, the mixing, the compression were all simular to a top notch album.
    Mr Pittman, most of the replies toward you is, don't be a part of what Nick refers to as "The Bizarros".
    I own and manage a quartet made up of mambers that clearly understands what Nick is sharing. Its not about one individual. No doubt, if you were so unhappy with Nick's work, how many prior to his, brought you satisfaction. Be honest! And by the way..may i ask, what is the cost difference betwen six hours and four days?
    To the many other readers who perhaps agree with Nick, let me state that we need to speak out concerning such issues that hinder our ministry and the SG industry. There is a large gap between the Professional, visionary and the "Bizzarro"

  43.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 08/02/2008

    As to Nick's article, Yes and No.

    While he made many valid points, he left out the biggest one. In other genre's of music, there comes a point where the amateur crosses over the line and becomes a professional. What is this line?

    The line is known as being signed, being signed by a label. Why is this important? A label only signs artists who the label believes can be a success and make money. A label sinks a lot of money into developing and promoting that artist. While it is true that the artist pays that money back (primarily through CD sales) it takes a load off the artist and allows them to concentrate on the music and performance.

    Name one label in SG that does the same thing for SG artists that is done in secular or even CCM music. Until this happens on a regular basis, we will have amateurs spending their own money to compete with the top groups in this confused mess of an industry.

  44.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 08/06/2008

    What an interesting article. I suppose based on this article I am what Nick reffered to as an amatuer. I am one of the oweners and operators of Chapel Valley Studio and very proud to be a part of many artists lives and ministries. With that out of the way I will say this....
    I agree with some of Nicks points however just a few. I agree that pointing out the amatuers from the pros would be healthy for the industry. In phsycology that is called "self awareness". I believe in that strongly, I believe that until you can admit what you cannot do you can never fully recognize what you can do. However, a couple of things bother me here about this article.
    1. I know the groups you listed, I grew up with some of them, sang with all of them. I can tell you that in my opinion several of these artists have been in the lead to CHANGE SGM. I know that for a fact.
    2. I noticed that you did not list the McKameys in your line up. Perhaps you are among those who feel they do not deserve the fame they have achieved despite their obvious inability to dance around and do vocal lines from Broadway. Never mind the fact that "God On The Mountain" sold over 500,000 copies.
    3. When I was younger I can remember going around with my dad who had a very PRO group in the 70s.
    After each concert we would go out with the other groups and the conversation was always about what God was doing in their lives, how many people were getting saved etc..
    Now I can barely stomach sitting at the same table with many Pros or Amatuers for the talk that goes on. Its all about product sales, charts and who is singing with who and where and how many people attended. There seems to be more BRAGGING than testimony.
    4. I do not know Nick but I do produce One particular former client of his. They were told by him not to bother trying to make it in SGM that they did not have the talent. That group now does better than 200 dates a year and sells Thousands of CDs for my AMATUER company.
    5. If we are going to segragate, Lets do it Right.
    Lets start at the NQC. There are many people singing on that main stage who do NOT belong. They are terrible without question. Lets move to the SInging News and question their charting system. As soon as a few radio stations began to think for the publis insted of politics they were kicked out of the Singing News chart list.
    6. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. It is up to the public " or should be " who is Pro or not.
    But the industry feeds them what they want them to believe and many artists are suppressed because they have a different point of view or are simply so good the Pros fear them. I have seen this myself and it is Disgusting.

    I will finish by saying that I believe that Nicks intent is real. I agree that SGM is a mess. I will be the first in line to call someone a bad singer or to point my finger in the face of injustice and call it out into the open. But what we all seem to forget is that we are not in Country or Rock Or Pop music, We sing Gospel, the Gospel of Jesus Christ. And I learned a long time ago that the annointing of the Holy Spirit has no card to read off who is Pro or Amatuer. The annointing cannot be contained or argued with,
    There is a change coming to SGM but our ideas and opinions will have NOTHING to do with it. God will deal with this industry and divide not the Pros and Amatuers, But the just and the unjust.
    P.S. Please note that I used my full and complete name, I do not intend to hide myself for my opinion. And Lacy, I like what you had to say and found it honest and fearless. God bless you!

  45.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 08/06/2008

    Mr. Roark,
    A well thought out response. However..

    I believe his point is ALWAYS that he feels bad when people are LIED to by companies who KNOW WHEN THEY ARE TAKING THE PEOPLE'S MONEY that they don't have a chance of having a successful music career. There ARE dishonest people out there as we all know. If you read ALL his articles, it is really surprising to me how many times people completely MISS HIS POINT. He keeps trying to keep people from signing their music and their money away to people who have NO INTENTION of helping them or their singing ministry.

  46.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 08/06/2008

    I will admit that I have not read all of his articles. In fact I rarely read anything in SGM music I find it to be redundant. Please allow me to point out that I was NOT offended my Nicks article. I do Get his point. I am just not sure that we are all clear in the matter of who is cheating and lying to whom. He mentioned Crossroads as a reputible company that would do a REAL recording. Unfourtunatly they are among those who will record anyone who will pay the right amount of money. I am not saying that they are wrong or right in doing so they are not on this post to deffend themselves. I do believe that there are cheaters and liars taking peoples money when they have no chance at a real career but I do not think it is limited to the Amatuer market. There are many so called Pro record companies that are cheating and lying as well.

  47.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 08/06/2008

    By the way Nick, I get the Superman analogy.

  48.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 08/06/2008

    Well then I think we basically agree. I think he supports and applauds and encourages groups who want to make a record. He says he does custom albums all the time. I think his problem is when a new group makes a custom album and the record company LIES to them and tells them all kinds of pie in the sky kind of things - and their ONLY intent to is to take the group's money because the group believes that soon they will be the NEXT BIG THING. And SO I think he just tries to WARN newcomers.
    It's a shame that anything that holds the name "Gospel" in it's title should have so many unscrupulous liars amongst them. OK. Gotta go. Blessings to you sir.

  49.    Tim Henry ~ 08/07/2008

    Tim Henry's avatar I believe there could be some record companies out there that sign the small groups to a $18,000 project to help fund their top groups $60,000 project.


    On the subject of not being able to sing, Country Music has it bizarros too. Just watch the CMA awards sometime! Sad thing is the general public buys the stuff anyway.



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