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CSI-Nashville “The Death of Southern Gospel Music”

The crime scene is set, the guns and knives are the invisible word of mouth. The credibility, fairness, respect, and integrity of many women and men that tirelessly fight for their songs continues to be organized and scrutinized. Why? Because the industry in its entirety has sold itself out. People are trying to hide behind the ministry card. Over 75% of Southern Gospel music is business. No matter what people say. Over the years gospel music has survived on a very thin and conservative foundation. It has been sold as a vision, not a genre. It has been represented with control, not knowledge. It has been held back, for some to hold on. It has been publicized, to capitalize. It has been choked out, so others can breath. You know the old saying ,"If you love something, let it go. If it comes back it loved you too." Gospel music needs to be let go. It needs to be set free. Forget the saying "Outside the box," that's what people say when they are trying to appear to have knowledge of the real world. Forget the box, forget the denominations, forget the hair, clothes, age, drums, forget all of your restrictions.

I was reading a comment somewhere on the web site where a lady was trying to find the sin in the Bible that she was infering against another mans character. Hey, I have an idea, instead of taking all that time to prove someone wrong, pray for them to do right. I really think people jump to conclusions way to often.

OK, lets stop for a minute and think about Southern Gospel music as a government. If wages were dropping, housing and demand was shrinking and jobs were being lost. Would we do the same things? Would we support the same leaders? Would we travel to the same place looking for work, when we have already been turned down? NO!! Wake up. Lets stop being afraid we may not get a spot at NQC, or we may miss making the charts, or booking agent XYZ may not take us, or we need to get signed by a major label. Come on people, think past singing one week in September, or having your name pasted on some chart, wanting a booking agent to sign you, when you cant book yourself or needing a label to invest in you when the last product you ordered is in the garage still boxed.

I think Southern Gospel music would be a lot better if-

  • The labels worked on marketing to fans not bookstores. Most of our labels depend on the bookstores to spread the word. We lack any print saturation or true marketing plans to launch new releases.
  • If radio stations demanded better quality compilations and music. 
  • If the artist would travel outside of their comfort zones, and try new territories. There are things more important than filling your date books. Who cares if you sing 22 dates a month for a total of 800 people. Wouldn't it be smarter to sing 5 dates for 6,000 people? Artists need to rework their plan. Go for quality dates not quantity. I would much rather be an artist that sang 5 times a month for a full house, than sing 22 times a month for the preacher, a homeless man and the guy that opened the church to let you in. And afterwards you take the preacher, homeless man and door opener out to eat. And guess what? You feel guilty the crowd was low and pay for everyone to eat. So, in the end you paid to sing.
  • If concert promoters would branch out and unite churches to support monthly singing and support their concerts. And fight to draw crowds. Some promoters book artist and expect the artist to draw the entire ticket. The artist needs the promoter as much as the promoter needs the artist.
  • If the industry would create a board or union to help draw people in, not one to help keep people out. We need guidelines built to advance the music, not preserve it. Southern Gospel doesn't need preserved. It needs marketed, educated and advanced.

A separate union needs formed to unite labels, producers, stations, artist, managers and churches. We need to respect one another's strengths and create a bond. We need to lock into a plan that we all adhere to.

I could go on and on. The facts are we're dying, falling and complaining. What we are not doing is changing, planning and uplifting. This format has followers. We have a huge potential. I hear all the time,"Man if I could do what Bill Gaither has done." You can!!  He had exposure, he tapped in a fan base outside of the Hallelujah Hillbilly Highway.

So many groups and artist are singing in circles, traveling the same highways, with their good old buddies, trying to keep it down-home and real. Oh come on, I hear the complaining and griping daily. You artist are tired and miserable. You put everything in what you do. If you take a dollar bill stomp it, spit on it, rip it, chew it, you know what? Its still only a dollar. No pain, no stress has changed its value. Its the same in Southern Gospel, you can fight the same circuit, same demons, same broken dreams and visions night after night. But, you are still the same value. You have to move outside of your disappointments and heartaches. I have learned nothing easy is worth having. And nothing worth having is easy to keep. Be ready to change and fight. I am excited about what all of us together can do for Southern Gospel music.

God Bless,

Rick Hendrix
http://www.rickhendrix.com

About This Article - CSI-Nashville “The Death of Southern Gospel Music”

Author: RickBHendrix | Author's Website: http://www.rickhendrix.com
Written: 07/01/2005 | Category: Monthly ArticlesLeave No Stone Unturned Comments: 104
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  1.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/01/2005

    Hey, Rick:

    Wow....what an article! Thank God for a young man who, obviously, has no fear in saying what he
    feels and believes. Some of us who still believe in, and want to retain the integrity of, southern gospel music would say "right on" to all that you have said. It's too bad the "powers that be" are unlikely to read, or listen to, your comments.
    Keep on sounding the trumpet regardless. Thanks.

  2.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/01/2005

    I am shocked at the way Southern Gospel music treats one another. My hats off to you. Great article.I think its certainly bigger than someones dream to preserve it. It is is dying. sad but true.

    Sue

  3.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/02/2005

    You Go Rick! I have been"Screaming " this for months! Of course, no one hears me except my husband! I have been writing and singing gospel for over 35 years, and FINALLY had my first song to reach the charts in May..I have worked for over 3 decades to "break in" to southern gospel music, to no avail..It is next to impossible to get in as a singer OR songwriter..Seems no one wanys to let a newcomer in..THIS is why it is dying on the vine..WHY can't the artists, promoters, publishers, record companies see this? If new blood isn't allowed in, eventually the old will die out.. Has anyone really looked at the people filling the seats of the concerts lately?> The majority of concert goers are over 65..something needs to be done while there's still a chance for revival! wake up!!!! The need for REAL dedication to GOD is paramount! I'm not saying everyone has sold out to the wrong motives, but many, many artists have, and trust me, it shows in their attitudes when talking to people at the product tables, and in the lack of anointing when they sing. If true revival would break out in the southern gospel music realm, there would be NO stopping the growth of this awesome music! GOD is the best promoter anyone could ever hope to have! I've been pitching songs for years, only to have them STOLEN, by "God- called, anointed artists"....but you know what? I'm STILL going to write songs and try to get major artists to record them, because there are still some REAL CHRISTIANS who sing because they ARE CALLED, and there always will be.. God will have his remnant!Seems like southern gospel radio stations are disappearing faster than the speed of light these days, and a lot of it can be attributed to the problems Rick mentioned in his article.. But I still believe God can turn it aROUND, AND I BELIEVE THIS... The day will come when America gets so desperate for the real thing, the old-fashioned anointing..that they are going to come streaming back to Southern Gospel...when their prosperity comes to a halt, when their hearts are breaking, and they finally realize that America will never be like it once was before 911, they are going to come home to southern gospel..The "feel good songs" of contemporary gospel aren't going to do the job in these last days.. when your heart is breaking, will you want to hear "praise songs". "prosperity songs" or,"God Walks The Dark Hills", "I Go To The Rock". and "Thru The Fire"????I know it looks rough for Southern Gospel right now, but I tell you this, "It Won't Rain AlwaYS"!!!!lET'S HAVE A REVIVAL!! nICOLA wYATT

  4.    Keith Prater ~ 07/02/2005

    Sadly, most will read this article and agree to it, but then will not understand or hear a word of it. That's because most of the people who read this really want things to be as they were in 1970. They just want to be the stars. I'm not sure why artists want to continue in the same business model anyway. Even in the mainstream industry, the only ones receiving any significant benefit from this business model are the large entertainment conglomerates. Very few artists receive more than a few dollars and lots of misery. Why do we want to follow that?

  5.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/02/2005

    Thanks, Rick, for your perspective. I have played in Southern Gospel groups for years and have found what you say to be true. Frankly, as I see it, most Southern Gospel is fluff and entertainment, not "ministry." Those that want to do more than stroke their own ego are few and far between.

    From a quality perspective, I am always amazed at the expectations that churches have, but for which are unwilling to pay. We have to pay bills at home and on the road, but if we get enough to buy dinner for the group on the road, we're "in it for the money." One reason for the decline in quality is the uninformed fan base. The average church-goer has no clue as to the amount of work, sacrifice and money it takes to deliver a quality, God-honoring project and then go on the road. Haven't they ever heard their preacher talk about "muzzeling the ox?"

    Lastly, for a refreshing difference, you need to be on the lookout for the song, "Hurting People" by The Glovers. When it comes to "fluff," this song ain't.

    God Bless

  6.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/02/2005

    NO- I dont feel people will think it needs to return to the 70s.I think they will see it needs to return to the BIBLLE.

  7.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/02/2005

    Entertainment Gospel. Instead of Southern Gospel. Maybe we should name it that.

  8.    David Bruce Murray ~ 07/02/2005

    Are labels marketing to bookstores now?

    If so, they must have changed in the last two years since I got out of Christian retail. Aside from the bigger labels that come thru a major distributor like Spring Hill and Daywind, I typically had to hunt them down and make calls if I wanted to keep anything Southern Gospel in stock. When Pamplin owned Sonlite and Horizon, it was like pulling teeth to get them to fulfill orders of Southern Gospel. They'd send us Bibleman videos in a heartbeat, though. I never understood that.

  9.    John Lanier ~ 07/02/2005

    Rick, I have said it before. I'll say it again...you are my hero! (LOL)

    Seriously, I'm glad I was already sitting down when I read this article. You just blew the roof off wid dis 'un!

    Thank you for your fearless approach to truth and honesty in your effort to keep our music alive. We need more people like you and ol' King Nick. God bless you both.

  10.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/02/2005

    John Lanier, By the way-I LOVE your music.
    "Holy Sacrifice"-was flawless.

    Dale

  11.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/02/2005

    Hey I kinda agree with Ole Rick. As long as folks are trying to hold on to their piece of the pie (NO matter how small and meningless) we will be stuck in the same old movie, showing after showing.

    Dale

  12.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/02/2005

    This industry is kinda like our office supply store. My grandpa and uncle wanna keep running it. The problem is times have changed.They wanna hold on to the business heritage. My mom finally told them, "Your part of the legacy will live forever to you and your family. What happens to continue the business is not about you or your humble beginnings.Maybe, gospel needs to move past the early birds and put them in their place respectfully.

    Joy

  13.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/02/2005

    Do you and Nick Bruno know one another? Your columns seem to have the same thread running through them. He says pretty much the same thing you do about quality, radio, etc. Maybe people you like and Nick and others who believe the same way should form a new SGM arena.

  14.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/02/2005

    Rick
    I could not have said this better myself. As Christians we all need to get out of our comfort zones. Sad thing is most groups have "A better than thou attitude" towards the general public. I have been amazed about how some groups act when not in concert. Pretty shocking.

    Holly

  15.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/02/2005

    Some stuff is better left be. You cannot change them. just sing and smile.

  16.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/02/2005

    Terry,

    I am sorry that you think that God is so small that He can't use Christian entertainment to advance His cause. The God I serve is bigger than that.

  17.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/02/2005

    Back in 1970, the "Major" labels were Word/Canaan and Benson/Heartwarming. Where are THEY now? Shall we wait for our newer Majors like Daywind to go belly-up, too? Then we'll all sell our home burned CDs out the trunks of our cars.

    At least in the 70s I could find Southern Gospel records in all the Christian bookstores even way out in California and Washington. Now, here in the heartland in Iowa, I can't find any SGM product in Christian Bookstores unless it has the words "Gaither Homecoming Series" on it. No Signature Sound, no Gold City, no Perrys, no Booth Brothers or Dove Brothers... Oh, wait, there's a Gaither Vocal Band CD... does that count? Maybe the reason it's called Southern Gospel is because it's only available in the South.

    I have an idea! If we don't feel like taking Rick's suggestions seriously, why don't we just restrict SGM to a couple counties in Western North Carolina... say between Asheville and Bryson City... we can have the NQC at Inspiration Park and we can have an all-day-singin'-with-dinner-on-the-grounds at Ray Reese's home church in Asheville EVERY SUNDAY. We can change the name of the genre from Southern Gospel to Western North Carolina Gospel and we'd only need 1 radio station and one record label! Then we can all laugh and sing and smile until we all die and go to heaven!!!

    Or... we can grow up a little and realize that James Blackwood and J.D. Sumner and Hovie Lister and Jake Hess did not "modernize" SGM in their day only to see the clock rolled back here in the new millenium to the days of sweaty quartets singing Stamps-Baxter shaped-note songbook arrangements note for note, OR to see groups in 2005 slavishly imitating the Statesmen of 1955. Or the Cathedrals of 1975.

    I believe our SGM audience will accept a lot more musical diversity than we give them credit for. Let's just strive to write the best songs we can, to sing and make the best CDs we can, and to not be afraid to give our audiences a good show. Come on... this is NOT worship music... it's supposed to be fun.

  18.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/02/2005

    On top of what I just wrote, I agree with both Rick and with Nicola Wyatt. We CAN have both economic and artistic success AND at the same time sing under the true anointing of the Holy Spirit.

    America yearns for the real thing and nothing less than pure Gospel music, be it good, rafter-shaking black gospel, or good old shoutin' Southern Gospel, will do the trick. CCM just apes whatever music is popular and just changes the lyrics, there is no defineable CCM "sound." There is a defineable Praise and Worship sound... the sound of bored churchgoers snoring in their pews!

    But there IS a SOUND to black Gospel that is imitated by R & B people from R. Kelly to Ashanti, and there IS a SOUND to Southern Gospel that is imitated by country people like Rascall Flatts, the Oak Ridge Boys, Lonestar. The world wants the real thing. They just don't know it yet.

  19.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/03/2005

    Elaine Harcourt's avatar Great article, Rick. I hope it doesn't just go in one ear & out the other.

    God is good all the time & all the time God is good. 

    Elaine Harcourt

  20.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/03/2005

    Hey Rick, buddy you said it just right. Love your articles and you always say just what needs to happen. Sure wish we could get SGM to growing and some of the new artist to working at becoming more involved. Bhy the way, Loved Nicole Watts post also. Sweet lady and she does a wonderful job.
    By the way to add to your article - Artist need to be sure and get FULL projects to the Radio Stations, DJ's and Radio Programmers. They must remember that if we don't have it we won't play it and if we have to buy it, then we will use it for our listening pleasure and still not play it. Key is to get it to all those that just might play it. Take care my man and God Bless!

  21.    Keith Prater ~ 07/04/2005

    There have been a couple of comments made about Praise and Worship music that show a lack of understanding of that genre. Today's "commercial" praise and worship -- i.e. Michael W. Smith, Delirious?, etc -- may be boring. But true praise and worship music was born out of the Charismatic revivals of the 70s and 80s and came with lots of boisterous audience participation -- the kind of shouting, raising of hands and praising God that would make Peg McKamey proud. Perhaps one of the problems with Southern Gospel is the "we're the only ones that have the true Gospel" attitude that come from fans and performers of this style.

  22.    Chuck ~ 07/04/2005

    It's amazing.. but some of the posters agreeing with Rick.. still don't seem to get his point.

    Chuck
    http://www.sglive365.com
    Hallelujah Hillbilly Highway Radio

  23.    Keith Prater ~ 07/04/2005

    Now on to what I really wanted to say.

    All the organizing, changing and letting new blood in sounds like good things to do to fix southern gospel. However, there are two underlying principles that come straight from the throne of God -- that SG often ignores -- that if we would heed to them, things would get better for Southern gospel. They are principles of growth and of sowing and reaping.

    Jesus said that the kingdom of God was like a grain of mustard seed that, when planted, is the smallest seed of the garden, but grows into a large tree. I'm not really referring to growth in concert attendance or CD sales. In order to have those, the root, the music itself, has to be growing. To be true to God, every time the artist learns a new song or piece of music, his understanding of music should grow. Maybe he learns a new chord or chord progression, whatever the case, there is an infinite supply of musical understanding to be had. If you are not growing in musical understanding, you cannot expect to grow in concert attendance or CD sales. If it is not growing, it is dying.

    The other is the principle of reaping what you sow. The apostle Paul said, "Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap." We spend a couple of hours a week practicing, and maybe two weeks a year in the studio, and expected to have something of it. We cannot expect to be great singers and musicians unless we are willing to put in the practice time. We cannot expect to have decent CDs if we do not put in the time in the studio. My rule of thumb is that you cannot expect to have more than 10 fans for every hour you practice, and you cannot expect to sell more than 25 CDs for every hour spent in the studio recording the project. To expect much more is mocking God.

    All the other ideas are great. But if you really want to bring Southern Gospel back to life, Begin spending 40 or 50 hours a week practicing your craft and then spend three of four months working on the project. When you follow these things, you will reap great rewards.

  24.    Chris D. Unthank ~ 07/04/2005

    Chris D. Unthank's avatar "CCM just apes whatever music is popular and just changes the lyrics, there is no defineable CCM "sound." There is a defineable Praise and Worship sound... the sound of bored churchgoers snoring in their pews!"

    Ignorance truly is bliss. I guess my church is just an anomaly then, because they love today's modern worship. Also - speaking something as fact even though it is only your personal opinion will get you nowhere.

  25.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/04/2005

    I thought we were talking about GOSPEL music not popular music. I certainly dont go to church to hear Nelly. If it doesnt sound gospel it doesnt need to be on radio or in the churches.

  26.    Chris D. Unthank ~ 07/04/2005

    Chris D. Unthank's avatar Sue - so what exactly does "gospel" sound like?

  27.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/04/2005

    Chris,
    A joyful noise to the Lord-Not a loud one.You have to be able to worship God not scare him away.

  28.    Chris D. Unthank ~ 07/04/2005

    Chris D. Unthank's avatar "Chris,
    A joyful noise to the Lord-Not a loud one.You have to be able to worship God not scare him away."

    Funny. I don't remember anywhere in the bible where "volume" determined whether something was "gospel". I don't believe God is limited by certain decibel levels. After all, didn't he create those decibel levels?

  29.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/04/2005

    No where does the Bible ask us to act as the world. I honestly feel people listen to CCM music because they cannot completely give up the worlds music. God can deliver you.Nothing is shameful in listening to gospel music without make up and lights.

  30.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/04/2005

    Actually- I am not ahsamed. I would stand on the roof tops and proclaim he is Lord. Please people do not get blinded by the world. CCM is marketed to appear gospel and not set itself apart.

  31.    Keith Prater ~ 07/04/2005

    Every time there is an article like this, we end up descending into an argument over full-timers vs. part-timers or Southern vs. CCM. It's no wonder SG does not grow. Christian music artists and fans who will not open up to new styles are potentially missing out on a great blessing from God. There is no good or evil inherant to any style of music, only in the people who sing it. If the fan will not let the artist grow musically because of narrow views of what is right and wrong, the artist should not allow themselves to be held back by the fans. It will be the fans' loss.

  32.    Chris D. Unthank ~ 07/04/2005

    Chris D. Unthank's avatar "No where does the Bible ask us to act as the world. I honestly feel people listen to CCM music because they cannot completely give up the worlds music. God can deliver you.Nothing is shameful in listening to gospel music without make up and lights."

    People listen to CCM because they have different tastes. Period. It has nothing to do with not being delivered. When you can start to give some scriptural backing for your outlandish remarks, then we can discuss this further. Until then, I have no time for remarks like this.

  33.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/04/2005

    Chris Unthank, forgive me for trying to be funny and saying that the sound of praise and worship is the sound of boredom. There is a lot of lovely worship music being made by Integrity!Hosanna, Vineyard, etc. I was an early member of what became the Maranatha! Praise Singers... so I'm not anti-praise and worship music. What bothers me, though, are the many Christians I've encountered in recent years who feel that SGM and even CCM are Christian entertainment and are low on the spirituality scale. I have a good friend who is such a great singer... he's somewhere between Russ Taff, Ivan Parker, and Guy Penrod... and when he expressed his desire to sing SGM he was told "No, that's wrong. You must be a worship leader. Gospel music is about singing for yourself... praise and worship is about singing for God." Now, this poor brother is so discouraged he's given up singing altogether. So that's where my snideness was coming from. Sorry.

  34.    Justin Endicott ~ 07/05/2005

    All of this is good, but you can't find hardly anyone to take a chance on unknown artist and help them. Although we read about it and understand it, we need help implementing it. Where are these people at?

    Great article Rick. God bless you. Very smart thinking. Hope you are doing well
    Justin

  35.    Betty ~ 07/05/2005

    I agree with Justin. Not many people will take a chance on an unknown artist. Some radio stations will play some unknowns. Others will not because it will take air time from the well known national artist. The secular record companies will take a chance and invest lots of money in unknowns to get them started. They say you cannot pay you way into Southern Gospel, but it sure pays to have money in your pocket to pay promoters and record companies to do the work for you. Lets face the truth, the industry as well as fans do not welcome new talent easy.

  36.    Chuck ~ 07/05/2005

    I can't speak for everyone.. but I don't think there is a problem with the industry not taking chances on "unknowns." I have always been open to new artists and new songs. So, then why do I play mostly established artists from the major labels? Simple.. they are better. It isn't that the industry won't take a chance on "unknowns". The problems is that the industry is flooded with "unknowns" that either aren't talented enough.. or haven't taken enough time to find, record and produce quality material. Then this flood of unknowns feels like the industry owes them a something. Sorry.. but it doesn't work that way in real life.

    Chuck
    http://www.sglive365.com

  37.    Young Harmony ~ 07/05/2005

    Rick, WOW! Thank you for putting this to print. You and I have talked about it and I have learned from you. Ginger and I now are singing one night a month at Country Tonite Theatre in Pigeon Forge TN. We are marketing in the secular world to reach out to the lost, not just singing in the churches. Thank you for taking an interest in the 'unknown' and helping Young Harmony along with so many others expand on what GOD has called each of us to do.
    Your friend
    Johnathan

  38.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/05/2005

    I also agree that changes need to be made in the areas that were mentioned by Rick. But may I add these thoughts. Based on some comments in regards to Praise and Worship and CCM, I feel that what really needs changing are the hearts of people. Fans and Artists alike. Not in all cases but in some. I believe the key is this.....God blesses obedience....period. He will not bless disobedience. It's kinda like your children, after outright disobeying you, asking for some reward or privelege. If you study the book of Haggai, you'll learn that the four messages from The Lord delivered through Haggai all involve obedience, and in some cases the lack of it. First is the issue of priority....where are our priorities? Second is the issue of disobedience.....are we being obedient in our personal walks with the Lord? Third is Discouragement.....Do we know that disobedience brings discouragement? And lastly is the blessing, and in some cases the absence of blessing. My point is this.....are we really desiring what God desires for us as individuals and for his people. It starts with a personal relationship...time spent with him...and I'm talking about more than saying the blessing over the food. I spent a little time on the road with Tim Surret and he would regularly tell us that if the concerts were the only church we were getting ....it wasn't enough. Did you know that Tim attends bible study on Tuesday nights? Are we being good stewards of the ministry that God gives us? Whether it's cleaning the facilities at the church, or working dilligently to be at peak level vocally for concerts, night after night. Friends, I don't care what genre of music you're taling about, if it lifts HIGH the name of JESUS, and HE, and HE, and HE gets ALL the Glory, then it's blessed. And Southern Gospel is no exception. I hope that this makes since in some way.

    God Bless,
    Mike

  39.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/05/2005

    Hi Rick, I really enjoy your articles. I admit I do get confused sometimes. It is almost as though we have no direction in the industry because we cant really figure out what the people who can do something for you really want. Everything leads to a dead end unless someone really believes in you and wants to help you. I hear really bad songs get played on the radio and some are by the major name groups. I dont understand how the system really works. I think people are getting tired of trying to be heard. It gets really discouraging trying to understand how this whole thing is played out and how radio determines who they play and who they dont play. I think I am little off topic but I'm trying to say that the business part is extremely confusing. I really like the ministry part of singing but also, I want to feel respected by the industy as much as everyone else. It's really had to know how to do both. Cathy

  40.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/06/2005

    One of the main problems is that there is a structure in the music world that people know and are familiar with, except in Southern Gospel. In other music, depending on your quality, contacts, luck, whatever, you are discovered, signed and the label develops your career. Not in Southern Gospel. This does not happen in SG.

    The problem is that groups sit around and wait for someone to discover and promote (help) them. Tain't going to happen. When artists achieve understanding, get off their duff and start promoting themelves, the genre will begin to expand. Of course this takes money. What business can you start without investing money and time and expect any success?

  41.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/06/2005

    You guys are right. SG has some kind of doom hanging over it. A very oppressive, competitive format. I saw Ricks options.What are some others? I think we need to get better radio. I ran a station for years. The format also needs to advance in sound. And lock out the cheap projects and bad part time artist. I am all for the quality ones.

    Dale

  42.    Justin Endicott ~ 07/07/2005

    THis is all true. There are many unknowns that are flooding with low quality music. I am so thankful that God put Rick in my path and he took a chance on the 'Unknown' that I was. I believe that he will of a great help in the future also.

    I also want to thank SGlive365 for adding my song into rotation. You truley took a chance on an 'unknown' too.

    I didn't mean that nobody will help the unknowns, I just meant it is harder. I may have worded it wrong. It is sort of like we have to prove ourself first. Hope that makes sense. But I want everyone to know how greatful I am for the people that have helped me.!!

    We are all a team
    Justin

  43.    Keith Prater ~ 07/07/2005

    When you get right down to it, though, all the planning and changing will not make a dent in the critical situation in Southern Gospel music unless we do one thing -- learn a little music! Just because someone can sing a little and strum a few chords on a guitar does not mean they should be in music ministry or recording CDs. Everyone should have at least a few years of formal music training before they attempt to pursue a career in music -- even Southern Gospel. Would you want a doctor who has not been through the necessary schooling? Would you want a contractor building your house if he was not trained in it? Why do we allow Southern Gospel music to be performed by the untrained? On the other hand, if the artists and musicians in SG were well-trained in music, the genre could not help but be noticed.

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  44.    Jamie Rebekkah Carter ~ 07/10/2005

    well since we are "keeping it real" here...I got somethings to say...This comment kind of un-nerved me "Who cares if you sing 22 dates a month for a total of 800 people. Wouldn't it be smarter to sing 5 dates for 6,000 people? Artists need to rework their plan" Since we are being realistic...as an unknown artist..it is very difficult to get bookings with more than a 1,000 people per concert. Promoters will not even listen to you without you first having a booking agent doing your calling for you...so unless I want to be Harriett on the phone booking for Jamie Carter then I don't get past the secretary. So how do you propose to get past that? Plus...I'm running into this problem...I'm getting larger venues such as WV state fair but do you want to know what they are paying me....Zero..nahda...oh wait they are giving me free admission and an opportunity to be heard....don't get me wrong I am grateful for the invite...but as I read that comment I thought wow how do they expect me to make it? (financially) Plus, SGM does not have large venue things very often..unless your "label" does them. So back to square one...It's just very fustrating. And most people int he industry say to "sing everywhere you can" now I hear to try to do large venues...heck...I'm unsure of where is UP and where is Down LOL...
    But it's like the article said "I have learned nothing easy is worth having. And nothing worth having is easy to keep" So I guess this is part of my fight!

  45.    Betty ~ 07/11/2005

    Jamie, I feel your pain. You like to take every opportunity you can to sing for the Lord, but some people take advantage of that. There is a local Promoter in our area that charges the not so known new artist to sing at his big concerts. They make you feel that it is an honor that they invited you because, they do not invite just anyone. Only a select few. They charge you $500 to sing and the only thing they give you is a booth in a corner behind all the big names, also they do not even place you on the main stage as opening acts. They stick a small stage in a corner of the product room and let the new artist sing on it away from the main stage. The least that they can do is if they do not pay you anything, do not charge you to sing. The new artist is paying part of the tab for the known artist for this promoter. I have learned a lesson from this one.

  46.    Keith Prater ~ 07/11/2005

    It's a shame that promoters would behave this way. If they were truly Christian, they would not do as Betty wrote. It is dishonest.

    As to Jamie's concern, I think Rick was getting a little ahead of himself. Once an artist has developed over a period of time and is highly skilled and experienced, he is right. However, for an artist first starting out, it is too much to expect. And it is not just because nobody knows you. If you've never sang for more than a hundred people at a time, it would be a serious leap to go from that to over a thousand all at once. Most could not handle it emotionally. It is probably best to grow into those types of crowds gradually. Remember the parable of the mustard seed. It starts small and grows big.

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  47.    Mary Burgess ~ 07/11/2005

    I could'nt have read this at a better time. I have two daughters, a 13 year old and a 9 year old who just wow'd an audience at a talent contest in Owensboro , Kentucky with their harmony. They did'nt even place in the winners and I understand because there was so much talent there. There was just so much focus on marketability and performance that it sickend me!
    I hate talent contest anyway, but after trying for 17 years to get songs "out there" that I've wrote and not being able to break in I don't know any other way. I was once told that someone would sign my song on if I would let them change one of the words through out the song to (grace) because the Baptist like to hear that word in gospel songs. This was from an industry professional! I have come to realize that these contest are just another way of industry commercializing. There should be someway that somebody could break through all of this. Where's the Hank Williams Jr. , Gretchen Wilson , and Elvis Presley's of Gospel music. There is people in high places that are forcing everyone to convert to one way or no way. Is marketable 300lbs., bleach blonde, and big flappy shirts??? How could I think that it had anything to do with God's annointing? Thank you for this article that I read, I couldnt agree with you more and I urge you to do something.

  48.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/12/2005

    I think what Mr Hendrix is trying to say is- take it serious. Make it work for you to reach more people and not kill yourself in the time of it.I may not agree with everything he says grin I do this.

    Dale

  49.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/13/2005

    Rick, kudos to you my brother! You hit the nail on the head with this article. It is sad, I've been singing solo for 3 years now in the local area, I enjoy doing it and am selective about the songs, the words and the message it reflects and I do it because I love the Lord and want to encourage, uplift and glorify Jesus, NOT entertain. However, I just entered a national talent search in which I submitted a demo and now will go to the semi-finals in 4 days. I contacted a local southern gospel radio station to see if they would take a "local's" cd..only to be told that pretty much if I hadn't spent about $6,000 on my demo and it wasn't the quality/sound of the Talley Trio..then I was wasting my time sending it. That really blew me away... the Christian Music Industry in my eyes has become just like the World. It is sad and to boot, the cd of last years "finalists" in this contest blew me away..90% of it sounded like hard rock, heavy metal, rap, blues, alternative and there was 1 group that came close to southern gospel. It made me realize and disheartened me that...the Christina Music World is not really looking for God given talent or actually the "spiritual" part of it..but "entertainment". I am about 4 days away from the semifinal and am beginning to lose my interest. I don't need a judge, a panelist, or someone to judge the talent God gave me... I know that "my style" Southern Gospel..probably won't be the one chosen. Look at how they dress in the industry...looks no different than the world. That's whats wrong w/ our churches and pastors too..the world is coming in and the church is not going out into all the world.. Definitely a problem we as Christians need to be praying about.

    Thanks Rick.... you are a blessing.
    A sister in Christ in EAstern, NC

  50.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/13/2005

    Quote: It is sad and to boot, the cd of last years "finalists" in this contest blew me away..90% of it sounded like hard rock, heavy metal, rap, blues, alternative and there was 1 group that came close to southern gospel. It made me realize and disheartened me that...the Christina Music World is not really looking for God given talent or actually the "spiritual" part of it..but "entertainment"

    What makes you think that there can not be any talent outside Southern Gospel?

  51.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/13/2005

    Sorry, John, that probably didn't come out the way I meant it too. I'm not bashing all the genre's,I don't have a problem with some of the contemporary, but God told us to be not conformed to the world, but we are called to be set apart , sanctified and holy and some of the stuff that is coming out sounds anything but that. I went to a Teen Christian Rally last year..and they had alot of rock /rap..I couldn't understand a word of it and it was loud. How can you get anything "spiritual" out of that??
    What was the message in the song? What were the teens suppose to get out of that. No , matter of fact I sing the song Who Am I by casting crowns, or Amazing Love by the Newsboys..I think they are beautiful and heartfelt. Sorry..wasn't trying to offend anyone..but there is a call to be different than the world's sound.

  52.    Keith Prater ~ 07/14/2005

    Tara, you may want to try other stations. It sounds as if this station's programming is closer to Inspirational or Praise and Worship than Southern Gospel. But I do applaud the station for holding to high standards. We cannot equate holding high standards to becoming like the world. Our song has to sound as great on a radio as any professional's or the radio station will lose listeners. Besides, we can't say that because we are ministering that it is okay to skimp on quality. We have more of a responsibility before God to produce higher quality music for ministry than we do for entertainment.

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  53.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/18/2005

    Hi Keith, I understand your point on "quality" sound of music, and not conforming to the world. I am all about that. But, what I don't understand is, the Talley's, the Hoppers, etc, all the "famous" groups..did not start off as famous either, someone had to give them a start in playing their music, so why are so many so critical and not willing to help the "unfamous". Seems there are not many wanting to help those just starting out. It also appears that just because something is labeled "Christian" music, isn't when you listen to it. I just got back from participating in a national talent search semi final, it blew my mind what I saw there. Some of the really good ones, who were singing from the heart, sounded professional, were really ministering in song didn't make it. It blew my mind to see how ladies/guys dress, sure is not reflective of a godly lifestyle but seems to be acceptable to judges. No thanks, it was a learning experience, alot of money wasted and they make alot of money off people doing these things. I was not impressed. No, I will stick with singing local, I do not need someone's contract to share the gospel with others. I know the Lord will lead me to the right places and people and His will is best. grin

  54.    Betty ~ 07/18/2005

    Tara, I totally agree with you. I know I am going to get critized for talking about dress because people just do not think that Jesus would not care the way we dress. The fact is he does. His word says to dress modestly, not showing off your body. This is one thing that is going to be the death of Southern Gospel, when we start going the way world sees that we need to go istead of looking to Jesus for directions. The same will be with the music, if we have to start singing like rock n' Roll and rap in order to get people to listen. I know what you mean about the contest. I was a semi finalist in what was suppose to be a Southern Gospel Talent Search, some of the contestants had very tight, revealing clothes on with their hair dyed Purple and red, also had gun belts on. One song that one group sang, the only word I could understand was the word 'Go' because that was about all the words that were in the song. I could not understand how that was presenting anything that uplifted the Lord. If Southern Gospel has to go this way, it definately will die. I'm not saying that all Contemporary or Praise and Worship songs are bad. In fact there is a lot of it that I like. I only think that when the musical arrangement and clothes overpowers the message, it is not good. There is nothing wrong with change in Southern Gospel if it is a positive change for Christ. God Bless Your ministry.

  55.    Keith Prater ~ 07/18/2005

    Tara, your experience with the talent search is not unexpected if you understand that most of the "Christian" record labels are owned by the big five media and entertainment conglomerates. To them, Christian music is just another genre with the same expectations as any other. They do not understand that being a Christian requires different things of us.

    As for how an "unfamous" person can get a start... that's a good questions. I'm not sure, either, since I also am an "unfamous" person. But, I'm beginning to come to the conclusion that the music industry is not exactly where I want to be anyway. I would ask the question this way: Is there a way I can get my music and ministry out there and known by the church without resorting to the practices of the music industry? The answer to that question is probably the answer to our problem. I would imagine that your statement about the Lord leading you to the right places and people is a big part of the answer.

    I believe that the answer for Southern Gospel does not necessarily lie in doing the things mentioned in Rick's article or learning what the mainstream industry does and following that. I believe we should move away from the secular industry and toward Jesus Christ -- away from depending on fancy marketing to improve our lot and toward music excellence and a seperated and unique approach. Perhaps, where the Talleys and the Hoppers are isn't really the desired place to be. Perhaps God has a better and more extraordinary place for us.

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  56.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/18/2005

    Keith,

    Just curious. What would you consider to be acceptable marketing.

  57.    Keith Prater ~ 07/19/2005

    Oneness with Jesus Christ and music excellence are the best marketing tools available. If you have these things, word of your goodness will spread like wildfire. If you don't have these things, all the radio promotion and magazine ads in the world will not keep you going for long. Unless your house is built on a solid foundation, it will fall.

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  58.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/19/2005

    Keith, right on! You are right and I got an email this morning from the fellow who recorded my demo for me with some encouraging words along the same lines. I am to the conclusion that "industry" is not the way to go. He told me alot who end up going that way end up in corruptness and growing away from God instead of growing in Jesus and I sure don't want to do that!

    No, Eastern, NC has alot of wonderful places to serve and people to reach. Uplifting our Lord and sharing the gospel with others is a much more wonderful way to go!!!!

    Thank you all for your encouraging words! and Betty, I am right on with you re: dress and music, there is alot out there that sure are not uplifting God and Jesus. Praise God for those who do.

    Have a blessed day!

    In Christ,
    Tara

  59.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/19/2005

    <<Oneness with Jesus Christ and music excellence are the best marketing tools available. If you have these things, word of your goodness will spread like wildfire. If you don't have these things, all the radio promotion and magazine ads in the world will not keep you going for long. Unless your house is built on a solid foundation, it will fall.>>

    While this is true and should be at the core of your ministry - this isn't going to do it all for you. You can be the most spiritually minded group and have the best sound out there, but if people don't know who you are - then how is word of your group going to spread around.

    I do believe that God gave us a brain and we should use. That means we should utilize those around us that know what they are doing and go through the right channels.

  60.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/19/2005

    Keith wrote: "Oneness with Jesus Christ and music excellence are the best marketing tools available. If you have these things, word of your goodness will spread like wildfire. If you don't have these things, all the radio promotion and magazine ads in the world will not keep you going for long. Unless your house is built on a solid foundation, it will fall."

    I agree that word of mouth can be effective. However, it usually works best in a local area. I am in Nashville. If I become well known and liked in the area, within 100 miles or so of Nashville, then word of mouth will certainly boost my concerts. If, however, I decide to expand and do some concerts in North Carolina, I fail to see how word of mouth could do anything to help me book gigs and get people to attend concerts there.

    What kind of marketing would be acceptable in expanding ones booking area?

  61.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/19/2005

    Keith wrote: "Oneness with Jesus Christ and music excellence are the best marketing tools available. If you have these things, word of your goodness will spread like wildfire. If you don't have these things, all the radio promotion and magazine ads in the world will not keep you going for long. Unless your house is built on a solid foundation, it will fall."

    I agree to a point. What I have observed however is that word of mouth works fine in a local area. I am in

  62.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/19/2005

    Rick, I've never responded to anything anybody has to say but you NAILED IT . Finally someone who speaks the truth. My question is who will really listen ? Keep it up. Great job!!

    MIKE

  63.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/19/2005

    Sorry.

    I have no idea where the second partial post came from.

  64.    Keith Prater ~ 07/20/2005

    I'm not necessarily saying that we should never advertize. What I am saying is that if Southern Gospel is dying (as Rick seems to be indicating that it is), it is because the root is dead or not getting nourishment -- and the root of what we are doing is our relationship with Jesus Christ and our training and talent in music. If we fix the root, these other things we think we need to do to fix it will not be necessary and the marketing will become much, much easier. Perhaps the reason why the groups are singing "22 times a month for the preacher, a homeless man and the guy that opened the church to let you in" is because they are just not very good, either spiritually or musically. Until we are willing to take off the rose-colored glasses, things will not get better.

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  65.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/20/2005

    you all have got to be kidding. if you can only sing to these small venues you have yet to be discovered. who really pays to make their own records and then releases press they have signed with a label or all the fluff these star crazed artist desire. if you have what it takes you will be called on- if you have what it takes you will not have to make your own records- dont worry mr hendrick-the artist will end this industry for everyone

  66.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/20/2005

    Hey Rick and most others - Thanks. How often I have had similar thoughts - for many years, in fact. You are correct on all counts. Here are a few more thoughts: 1) Folks, the entertainment is only a problem for those who can't do it and don't understand it. Christian entertainment is not an oxymoron. You can be a great singer but if the presentation is wimpy then even good singing can be boring. 2) Have you noticed that over the years since "contemporary" came in the late '60's that many SG 'fans' have been continually casting negative judgement on it, often in the SG publications. But you don't see the Cont. folks doing that to SG. Many of them don't even know SG exists. There's a reason for that. C'mon after almost 40 years leave Cont. alone. It sailed on by SG long ago. 3) Song selection ...even in this semi-blog folks are so concerned about their songs and 'making it. You don't have to write songs. Use some that are already known. It's a waste of ink in most ads and reviews to list all (Usually a paltry 10) songs and no one recognizes any of them. 4) As Max Lucado and others have stressed...it's not about you and your nifty whatever. It is about Jesus. Put more of Jesus and scripture in the music and drop the "I's". 5) The age factor...it is true the vast majority of SG fans are senior citizens and what is SG doing to attract and keep a younger fan base? As a genre, nothing. 6) Modest dress. C'mon again. I've been a SG fan and involved with promotion and radio for years and I love it when that's brought up. Please don't use the Bible to defend your dress code. None of what any of us wears was around. I haven't seen any immodestly dressed SG performers in over 40 years. If anything SG folks dress a bit dowdy almost to the point of distraction. It has nothing to do with the frequent quotes of worldliness. And the hair issue...it's hard to believe this could still be an issue. Hair has nothing to do with being or becoming a Christ follower. It's just a taste thing (Uh, and for some of us a 'growth challenge). We need to realize that and move on. Actually going back to the music - same thing. You won't find backing for a Southern Gospel sound over any other music in the Bible, either. There is nothing wrong with being of the highest quality and up-to-date. SG was the last music to do away with selling 8 track tapes and still has some 'artists' promoting cassettes, yet. SG was the last type of music on CD's or DVD's. Some groups still promote VHS rather than DVD's. We got our first CD player in 1983 and it was several years, yes years, before there was SG on CD. Much of the above could really be improved upon if, indeed, there was some real accountability within the southern gospel industry. I remember how hard JD and some others tried to get better unification within SG - beyond NQC but it was and is such a mom and pop, me and mine business. Well, I've had my time for today. Onward and Upward

  67.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/21/2005

    So big name artists should sing less often to larger crowds AND travel outside their comfort zones? That sounds like staying right smack in the middle of your comfort zone to me! Big name artists sing to large venues because that is the only way that they can make money, though. No matter how much you think we need to "get back to ministry," making quality gospel music is VERY expensive! If you don't believe that, try it yourself. Go buy a bus, hire vocalists and a band, buy instruments and a sound system, fuel up the bus and hit the road. You'll be broke before you get in the bus! Singing in small venues gets you small $. Small $ aren't enought to cover your costs (like you said)! Believe me, no artist is going to sing for small crowds and take a loss all the time. So how is a "second-tier" artist to get to the big venues? The big venues need to invite little-known artists to do concerts there. That would give the little-known artists greater cash flows to promote their ministrys. That means buying a better sound system, hiring more band members, adding vocalists, purchasing higher quality instruments, and on and on. Otherwise, without a "big break," talented little-known groups will languish in obscurity forever. The rich get richer and the rest stay broke! Help the little guys by supporting their ministry. Make donations to artists you like - local or regional groups. It just might be the amount that they need to "get over the hump." Notice - no ranting or raving required!

  68.    Bill Babnick ~ 07/21/2005

    Man.... I have read every responce to this article, and am blown away.... and I thought the Country Music Business was bad!
    I feel for all the people who have writen in about their experiences with contests, but one thing I have learned from them is that you do get more experience from entering them, and every now and then you win a little money... other than that... I don't know.
    I don't know if I will ever make the money of Bill G. or obtain the fame of the Crabb Family,.. but that is not what is important. I am just glad that the Lord keep leading, and opening the door and giving me another invitation to the next Church, Revival Meeting, Youth Conference, or Youth Camp to go sing at! That is all I want. To stay in the Lords will, and be a blessing to others. I don't care if Day Wind or Spring Hill offers a recording deal. I just want the good Lord to use me,... even if it is just working around my home church, and singing a special every now and then.
    As far as quality music is concerned...
    To those that say you don't have the finances to produce a good CD... I ask, "Are you trusting the Lord to provide, are you surrendered to the Lord, and a member of a local church... tithing and giving a faith promiss to missions like you should"?
    God knows your needs, and your hearts true desire. If all you care about is making a bunch of money, and getting famous... I don't think that the Lord will bless.
    I am content right where I am, and if the Lord wants me to be anything more, then He will lead, and I will follow.
    As to the different genres,.... well... I love Country Gospel Music. I grew up hearing nothing but ole Hank, Lefty,Carl Smith, and Ernest Tubb from my Gandpa... but I love Southern Gospel as well. The harmony is beautiful... praise and worship is also something I like. It isn't something I listen to that much, but to each his own. I do agree with the worldliness in Gospel music today though. I happened to watch the AGM Awards, and have to say that I was sickened by what I heard and sceen. To those who said we should seperate ourselves from the likeness of this ole world... Amen. That is what the Bible says and that is what I beleive. When you become a child of God, and receive Christ as your Savior, you should have the conviction in your heart to leave that ole worldly lifestyle behind you. Nothing to hard to understand about that.
    Anyway. I hope the Lord will guide, bless, and convict each one of your hearts, and continue to lead you all in your endeavors.
    Blessings,
    Bill Babnick
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  69.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/22/2005

    Bill! All I have to say is AMEN Brother! I feel just the way you do.... couldn't have said it better and that is what I have come to terms with as well. Wherever the Lord leads, whatever He wants....we know His will is always best! He will put you right where He wants you and at the right time!

    God Bless you Bill!
    Tara

  70.    Ron Lay Jr ~ 07/23/2005

    After reading Rick's column it took a moment for me to realize just how blessed I am. As I read comment after comment I couldn't believe how many people were in support of his position. Finally, as I read the last few entries before this comment I found people who remember what's important. Now here's why I feel so blessed: Our group has ministered, repeat ministered, to churches and venues with anywhere from seven(7) to seven hundred people in attendance. At each opportunity we were proud to proclaim the Gospel as we've been called to do. Wherever we go God has blessed our efforts and met our needs to do His work because we're faithful. People ALWAYS comment on the anointing of the Holy Spirit because we're there for HIM and for them, not for ourselves although we are powerfully blessed as well. And finally, since I know you'll want me to be brief, we are blessed because we can be sure that if your advice is taken, Rick (and supporters) there will be so many churches available for us to sing in that we'll be singing the Gospel right up to the Rapture! If Jesus had had a minimum crowd limit before appearing how lost would we all be today?? Thanks for the blessing!!

  71.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/25/2005

    Amen...that's right..it doesn't matter the size of the crowd, audience, church..etc.... you're not there for you or what you can do.... its for Jesus..and if it only reaches one person...then it has been a blessing...that's the way it is for me at least.... if I know that message has reached one persons heart..that was in need of hearing it..then it blesses me too..

    Praise God for all opportunities He avails to us, no matter where or when.

    Tara

  72.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/25/2005

    WHAT ABOUT LOST PEOPLE MUSIC IS GREAT I LOVE IT BUT JESUS DID NOT GIVE HIS LIFE SO WE CAN MAKE A LIVING SINGING HE DIED FOR SINNERS!!!!!!!!!!!! OF WHICH WE ALL HAVE BEEN GUILTY. THERE ARE EXPENCES I KNOW BUT ASK YOUR SELF WHY YOU SING IS IT FOR GOD AND THE LOST OR FOR YOURSELF?THINK ABOUT IT!! KAREN

  73.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/25/2005

    I love it.

    Why do I do anything that I do for a living? Is it for God or is it for me? Did Jesus give His life so I could make a living working in a grocery store? But I can make a living there? I can also make a living singing. Whether He gave His life so I can work any profession is questionable? What does that have to do with how I make a living as long as I am a Chrisatian and live the Christian life. Good grief Charlie Brown. I work whatever I work so that I can make a living.

    Quote: "Amen...that's right..it doesn't matter the size of the crowd, audience, church..etc.... you're not there for you or what you can do.... its for Jesus..and if it only reaches one person...then it has been a blessing..."

    No and it doesn't matter how many people ever shop at that grocery store. If just one hungry person comes in and gets food, that is a blessing.

    Since when can I trade blessings for gas at the corner filling station. Since when can I send a package of blessings to Nashville Electric Service to pay for my monthly electric bill?

    Come on folks, there has to be a balance between serving God and making an honest living. If we use the right approach and the right lyrics, there will be blessings to those who hear and blessings to us. On the other hand if that is the way that we choose to make a living, then the size of the audience does matter. It matters if I want to pay my bills and support my family. Will God bless? Sure but I believe that He wants me to use the mind that He gave me and a measure of common sense and business sense to run my affairs. I believe that God expects this whether I sing for a living or work in a garage or a grocery store.

  74.    Ron Lay Jr ~ 07/25/2005

    As long as you insist on thinking of a MINISTRY as a profession you will have complaints about what you do and how you do it. You can't compare this to working in a grocery store. You can answer the call with a faithful heart and know that your true reward is waiting for you. If you've truly been called you can trust in God to equip you. Yes, you must pray hard, work hard, study hard, drive (or ride) hard, whatever it takes to do what we do. And let me respond to one more thing that seems to have pervaded this discussion: Whether I am singing 300 days or 60 days during the year I am still a FULL-TIME ministry. I live, talk, walk, work, and play in a manner which reflects my faith. You will insist on calling me a PART-TIMER because you have made it a business to proclaim the Gospel. I realize that my opinions will probably not endear me to many big-time, professional Southern Gospel Industry types, but I am not a professional entertainer. I am called to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ and I couldn't be happier. Don't ask me to make business decisions about this...if someone wants us to appear and minister we're there! God Bless!!

  75.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/25/2005

    Ron,

    I have no problem whatsoever with what you do or the way you approach your ministry. There are probably thousands of groups that minister every week in churches across the nation. I say God speed to you.

    What I oppose with everything that I can think of are those people who seem to think that there is something wrong with applying good business principles and making a living from the music. Pulpit preachers can make a living while they are ministering and they are not attacked. Ministers of music can make a living while ministering and they are not attacked. Even missionaries can make a living from their ministry and are not attacked. Why is it when someone wants to make a living singing Christian music, they are attacked and their faith and dedication, even their Christianity is questioned? It makes no sense. I can minister and still run my ministry on sound business principles. What, pray tell, is wrong with that?

    You probably do not need to ever make a business decision about your music because you support yourself by working in a job somewhere or you run a business and are supporting your family through this. Again, there is nothing wrong with what you are doing. There is also nothing wrong with supporting your family through the music.

  76.    Ron Lay Jr ~ 07/25/2005

    John,

    I have no problem with you making a living in your music ministry. What I have a problem with is people like Rick telling me that my Ministry is ruining his Business, that my GOD-based plan is compromising his MONEY-based plan, that I shouldn't worry about ministering to small groups but only to the "Sermon on the Mount"-type crowds so I don't have to work so hard. Now, having said that, I think there is nothing better than being able to make a living doing something you love, and what better "job" than proclaiming the Good News. Do pastors consider their life's work a job? No, it's a calling, something their life would not be complete without. I just don't think that proclaiming the death of SG music (by suicide, no less) is the right way to go about fixing any perceived problems, and I know that I don't want to be included in Rick's description of an industry that "has sold itself out." God Bless!!

  77.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/25/2005

    Ron,

    I went back and read the article again. I don't believe that he is talking about people who go out on weekends and minister as you obviously do.. I may be wrong but I don't think that this applies to anyone who is not making a living with the music. If the professional part of SG should fail, fall, go away, your group and others like you would still be going strong.

    I know professional groups (who support themselves with the music) that sing 200 - 250 times a year and are still in poverty. Is God not blessing them because of some sin of theirs? Could be? It could also be, as Rick implies, that they are not planning for success.

    More power to anyone who sings for 30 people in a small church and sees tears fall at the message in the songs. I have been there. And yes, this is the heart and soul of Southern Gospel Music.

  78.    Ron Lay Jr ~ 07/25/2005

    Amen for "the heart and soul of Southern Gospel Music." Love ya, John! We'll crosss paths one day. God Bless!!

  79.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/26/2005

    Having been involved in Southern Gospel music for many years locally as a D.J. some promotions and sang locally I can say I agree with you 100%. I think that it has become as hard business and in some cases is more ruthless than a lot of secular businesses.

  80.    ALBERT THOMAS ~ 07/26/2005

    I have been quiet way to long. I have been producing radio programs since 1973. I was selected by The Finland government, as one of 3 top English speaking radio programs.* For over 14 years, ended after 9/11, Hymn Sing was heard and used as an English Second language class by every college student. It was also heard via satellite, and proven to be heard by 800 million.

    * SONGS THROUGH THE NIGHT WITH MOODY - BILLY GRAHAM'S HOUR OF DECISION -
    GOSPEL CHAPEL'S HYMN SING WITH AL THOMAS

    Only one trade magazine, reported this honor. Shortly after I was taken by an illness, the editor, asked for people to support this world wide southern Gospel outreach. Not one penny was received yet, because of God's open door and His calling in "Global Gospel Music Evangelism" the program did continue and will continue, if their English language band will be lifted.

    Over these many decades, I have been told.. My programs, where,,, too anointed, too much preaching, I do not need to give an invitation... Play me, don't sing on your own programs, we're the professional singers. Don't give the "local" group air time...

    God is still God. I can be driving and the presence of the Lord is so real, I hear the songs playing in my head, I go into the studio, and every time, the programs come out to the very second..

    After over 30 years, this ministry never charged for the program. We still do not on foreign soil. Just recently we have tried to be a wise Stewart of God's time, talent, and asking for a donation base from the radio stations, and missionary partners.

    If I was in this for a way to make money - to live on, I would have been starved to death in 1974. I am so glad to a few friends, and family members who have helped with production and studio equipment, shipping and other cost over these years.

    A few years ago, I had a vision, that if each one of my friends, my heroes, the artist in Gospel Music, who believed in the vision, the calling, and God's work.. would pledge, with God's help, 1% of 1 nights offering, once a month, this ministry could place southern gospel music around the world, and continue - never asking for funds again. The industry could not see this, AND WAS TOLD BY 95 % OF THE INDUSTY, I was robing them of their offering.

    As I write this today, 7-26-05, I found out that Marc Speer disbanded the New Speers, because of some of the same reasons we have been talking about, see the Singing News web page. I was saved in a Speer family concert, They lived what they sung, Brock Speer, when he was president of the GMA, had the saying...'GOSPEL MUSIC TO SING IT...IS TO LIVE IT". I am very sadden that my nephew may never see a Speer perform live again.

    My hat is off to the Eddie Crock Company, who promotes new artist.. One draw back. These artist never appear, or cannot afford to travel to New Mexico... I have no idea, who these people are, what they stand for, what their vision is, ..etc. Perhaps other dj's in other areas are having the same problems with new artist.

    Years ago, Danny Funderburk had a great solo release, featuring the song, UNSUNG HERO.
    To every group who is called, have traveled millions of miles, to every group, dj, promoter, who has invested, perhaps their last penny to promote Southern Gospel music...I SAY, THANK YOU.

    If a miracle doesn't happen soon, I don't know if Gospel Chapel International Ministries, will still be on the air. Someday, most days, I don't thing anyone would really care if it doesn't.

    But, I want to leave us with this promise and hope. If God closes one door HE WILL open another, and He has promised to keep us in his ministry...I work each day for His Glory alone, knowing He called me...PHILIPS 1/ 3 & 6

    Perhaps I've talked to much again,
    Love to all
    AL THOMAS - RADIO GCIM
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  81.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/26/2005

    The title of your article intrigued me, but I totally disagree with what you have targeted as the cause of the "death of southern gospel music." Southern Gospel Groups must wear many different hats and have the ability to change hats smoothly and connectively. It is true that it is a business and as long as people depend upon it for their living, it will always be that; however, the focus of those trying to achieve and over-achieve is not the root of the problem.

    The real problem lies on the music side and the inability or lack thereof to sing instead of scream and "holler" as so many are doing today. The real fact of the matter is that the majority of those singing today do not know how to sing southern gospel and the song writers don't know how to write southern gospel. The singers today evidently don't know how to sing pure, rich, smooth harmony and most of their arrangements are a joke. This is the reason they are singing 22 dates a month to 800 people as your article said. If they would get back to real southern gospel singing, they could fill up the house just as the Gaither Homecomings did before most of the great southern gospel singers died.

    Since none has been published that I can remember, I doubt that you can find one writer today who can write a song where each of the four parts sing different words and at different times on the chorus like you find in the old song "Daniel Prayed" or "The Heavenly Parade."

    Your article talks about changes and changing. What do you propose that it change to? Bill Gaither tried his best for about 15 years to melt southern gospel and contemporary music together only to find that true southern gospel fans will not have contemporary under any circumstances. Why are so many advocating change? God said that He is "the same yesterday, today and forever." Since Southern Gospel is suppose to be God's music, why should it change? The Holy Spirit has NEVER needed ANY man made gimmicks to draw people to Christ, and drawing is His job, not ours.

    If you really want to see southern gospel music revive, go back to the basics of what got us here in the first place, not some new method or movement. You suggested that people throw away they "restictions" and I guess accept and support anything. Well, if those who pose as "Gospel Music People" are not Christians, they need to get out of the business. They don't need Christians to support them. If they are Christians, then they should want to look and act like a Christian and not like one of the devil's henchmen. There are many today who cry "Lord, Lord" but He doesn't know them! The devil has been trying to change and stamp out God's music for decades, and I see that he is still at it.

  82.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/26/2005

    I love a troll. But I am going to bite anyway.

    Quote: "Since none has been published that I can remember, I doubt that you can find one writer today who can write a song where each of the four parts sing different words and at different times on the chorus like you find in the old song 'Daniel Prayed' or 'The Heavenly Parade'."

    This is what people want to listen to today? This will attract new fans? No. Writers write what they think the people will listen to. If there were a market for this type of quartet music today, you can be sure that writers would be writing it.


    Quote: "Why are so many advocating change? God said that He is "the same yesterday, today and forever." Since Southern Gospel is suppose to be God's music, why should it change? The Holy Spirit has NEVER needed ANY man made gimmicks to draw people to Christ, and drawing is His job, not ours. "

    I think that the discussion was about drawing more people to concerts, not to Christ. Who says that Southern Gospel is any more God's MUsic than any other kind of Christian music?

    Why change from the music of 50 years ago? Because people change. They want different things. They listen to different styles of music, drive different cars, wear different clothes, cut their hair differently, live in different looking houses, eat different food and work in different jobs.

    You want to go back? Do away with air conditioning in cars, interstate highways, computers, jets. Look around your house and picture what is there that would not have existed in 1955. The world has moved on. If we are to attract new fans, we must move on also. Not the message, mind you but the presentation.

    I love a troll.

  83.    ALBERT THOMAS ~ 07/27/2005

    QUESTION:"Since none has been published that I can remember, I doubt that you can find one writer today who can write a song where each of the four parts sing different words and at different times on the chorus like you find in the old song 'Daniel Prayed' or 'The Heavenly Parade'."

    ANSWER:
    GLORY TO GOD IN THE HIGHEST - DARYL WILLIAMS!

  84.    Keith Prater ~ 07/27/2005

    Anytime someone suggests that the only reason to make music is to "win the lost," it saddens me. The reason is that to limit music to "winning that lost" is to diminish its' value in our lives. Do the birds sing to win the lost? Do the leaves rustle to win the lost? Do the brooks babble to win the lost? Why should the only reason I make music be to win the lost? True, the sounds of nature magnify the glory of God, but that is not limited to simply winning the lost. I will glorify God with my music! But not simply to win the lost.

    But the same can be said of making music a business. That also cheapens the music. God did not put music in the world for us to make merchandise of it. But you would ask me how you would feed your family if you do not make it a business? Surely, Jesus did say that we cannot serve two masters, because we will always slight one or both. Jesus also said that it is our job to seek the kingdom of God, and it is his job to make sure we are fed, clothed and housed. After all, God knows that we have need of these things.

    And this leads me to my point.

    Music has value before God apart from winning the lost and the money we can make with it. It is a part of God's kingdom. As such, it is something to be sought and worked at. In my opinion, the answer to the age-old question of whether it is ministry or business is... neither. Let us just seek the music and let God take care of the rest.

    If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit

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  85.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/27/2005

    John R wrote, "I think that the discussion was about drawing more people to concerts, not to Christ. Who says that Southern Gospel is any more God's MUsic than any other kind of Christian music? " If all of these changes that are being promoted are so great, then where are the great crowds you are talking about drawing? You'll never get them that way!

  86.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/27/2005

    John R. also wrote, "Writers write what they think the people will listen to. If there were a market for this type of quartet music today, you can be sure that writers would be writing it." Would you please explain to me your basis for this assumption? None has been written in the last 30 years to test your assumption. Writers are limited to their abilities and I personally believe that they lack the ability to write songs like the old greats did. I'm speaking of writes like G.T. Speer, Lee Roy Abernathy, Ira Stanphill, Vep Ellis, Mosie Lister, Albert Brumley, Luther Presley, etc.

  87.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/27/2005

    David,

    You did not answer the question, only deflected it. I will ask again. Who says that Southern Gospel is any more God's Music than any other kind of Christian music?

    You asked, "If all of these changes that are being promoted are so great, then where are the great crowds you are talking about drawing?"

    They are going to CCM concerts. Before you take off on this, have you ever listened to or read and of the CCM Lyrics? There is as much God's Music there as there is in Southern Gospel. The difference is in the presentation. No one is saying that SG should sound like CCM. What is being said is that SG should get into the world of today and not try to live in the world of 1955.

    Quote: "Writers are limited to their abilities"

    You are talking about style. You have to be. Of course that is your opinion. Otherwise, it is amazing that the bad songs that Gerald Crabb writes would draw so many people and sell so well and get so much air play.

    What you mean is that in your opinion writers do not have the ability to write songs to be sung the way they were 40 - 50 years ago. Perhaps they don't. I ask you, why would they try? There are plenty of songs still around that are this style. When a group (or groups) begin singing them and drawing huge crowds, then you will see new songs being written in that style.

    Until then, we have the likes of Gerald Crabb, Phil Cross, Neil Enloe, Rodney Griffin, Rebecca Peck, David Patillo, Kyla Rowland, Dianne Wilkinson and Daryl Williams to help us get by.

    Quote: "John R. also wrote, "Writers write what they think the people will listen to. If there were a market for this type of quartet music today, you can be sure that writers would be writing it." Would you please explain to me your basis for this assumption?"

    I know that you will not like this but there are actually some song writers who make all or part of their living by the royalties that they get from their songs. This is the avenue that God has given them to support their families. Songwriters so get inspiration from God. God may inspire the concept and the message that is needed. I cannot believe that he inspires every nuance of the style of the song. Again, I repeat, "If this retro style of music would sell, writers would be couching their message in this style."

  88.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/27/2005

    This reminds me of a chapter in the book "Simply Strategic Growth Attracting a Crowd to Your Church", released this month. - Tony Morgan stated that "If people start buying a lot of music with pipe organs and choirs, then Granger will start using pipe organs and choirs in its weekend services." Over 80% of the churches in the USA are plataued or shrinking and more churches are closing than being started. We really need to do what's needed and not just use or judge music by what we like and our comfort zones. I've said before and Tony stated in the book, "God doesn't care what style of music we use in our churches as long as it helps point people toward him." Amen.

  89.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/27/2005

    Paul said: "We really need to do what's needed and not just use or judge music by what we like and our comfort zones. I've said before and Tony stated in the book, 'God doesn't care what style of music we use in our churches as long as it helps point people toward him.'"

    Amen, amen.

  90.    Susan Jones ~ 07/27/2005

    Sorry, but I have to take exception to the statement that writers don't write convention-style music anymore.

    I'm sure you just aren't aware of it, so I thought I'd let you know each year there are at least 3 major publishers putting out new convention songbooks with new convention songs in them. Because I have access to it, this is mine from this year's Cumberland Valley book. It may not be "Heavenly Parade," but it is in the style you mentioned and it is a 2005 song. They are still being written and, in some cases, very well!

    http://www.sweetjourney.com/SetFreeWarrenSample.ram

  91.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/28/2005

    I acknowledge and have been corrected that there are writers still writing convention songs and I am very glad to know that.

    I will refer back to a quote made by two people from a book by someone named Tony. "I've said before and Tony stated in the book, 'God doesn't care what style of music we use in our churches."
    I don't know who Tony is, but he needs to read the Bible. If presentation and methods used to approach, worship and serve God doesn't matter, then God should reach into hell and pull Cain out and apologize to him for after Cain had worked so hard and brought to God the very best that he had for an offering, God said it was NOT acceptable and He did NOT accept it.

    You suggested that I listen to the words of some CCM songs. I have listened to a few, but just because it has words talking about God and having God's name in it isn't all that's involved. When it is put with the devil's music, it ceases to be gospel. God said in His Word, "Come out from among them and be ye a separate people." In another place we are told that God's people are suppose to be a peculiar people. What CCM music is doing is trying to marry God's music with secular music and you cannot serve God and mammon. When you listen to the musical instruments of a song and cannot tell if it is country, rock or what some want to call "gospel" it isn't gospel anymore it is the devil's imitation.

    This will be my final comment on this matter. The bottom line is this. Southern Gospel music began in the 1930's. At that time, it's music, style and presentation was established. If you change either or all of the three, then it ceases to be southern gospel. When I first read this article I thought it was going to talk about why the author thought southern gospel music was fading away again. The article should have been entitled "How we are going to kill Southern Gospel Music."

  92.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/28/2005

    David,

    You are a christian, and am I, we have never met but are brother in Christ. What I'm going to say about your comments is said with love. Let me be clear that I love SG

    As I have studied worship, and what it really is, I have learned that it has very little or anything to do with the music at all, and especially what genre. IT IS ALL ABOUT THE HEART OF THE WORSHIPPER!!!! Following are some lyrics to a praise and worship song...please take a moment and consider the words......"I'm coming back to the heart of worship, cause it's ALL about you, it's all about you JESUS. I'm sorry Lord for the THING I'VE made it, cause it's all about you, it's all about you Jesus".

    As for CCM, there is some that I like, and some that I choose not to listen to. Not necessarily because I don't like the words, but because I just may not like that particular song, and I can say the same of SG.

    Just remember a sacrifice that is acceptable is one that is done with a pure heart and intended for the worship, and lifting up the name of Jesus for the furthering of his kingdom. Also, you might consider what type of music you will be hearing in heaven when we get there. I believe that if you think that all you're going to hear is straight SG, you will likely be Dissappointed.

    Just some thoughts for you buddy, hope you're not offended.

  93.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/28/2005

    David,

    Quote: "When it is put with the devil's music, it ceases to be gospel."

    I might buy into this. Please provide me with the following:

    A list or criteria of chords or chord progressions that are unchristian.

    A list or criteria of vocal styling or harmony that is unchristian

    A list or criteria of rhythm or percussion that is unchristian.

    In short, give me some concrete criteria to use to identify the devil's music.

    If you have no criteria, then this is your opinion and has no validity for anyone else in the world except for you. Don't get me wrong, I fully support your right to believe anything you want to believe. I will fight you any way I can when you make blanket statements and assert them as general truth and try to bind them on anyone else.

    John R

    By the way, are there pagan piano riffs? LOL

  94.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 07/28/2005

    Thank you for your comments Terry. I agree with you. Sometimes I refer to Southern Gospel as commercial Gospel. And whatever happened to personal and ecclesiastical separation?
    David Knight

  95.    Bill Babnick ~ 07/28/2005

    Hahaha... LOL!!! pagan piano riffs... thats funny John!
    I have been reading and following this whole topic, and I have to say I agree to an extent to both sides. I love SG music!,.. and I Love CCM or Country Gospel... I don't think that all SG or all CCM is good though.. there is times I have heard and seen both performed, and felt that it was more for show than for the Glory of God... that is when I feel it is wrong. It isn't necessarily the music to me, it is more the artist, group, or just the performance. There is a lot of Gospel / Christian music out there right now, that I feel is just way overdoing it, and I agree that some of it sounds so worldly that it is hard for me to even consider it Christian. My thought is "how can it be glorifying unto the Lord if it is not understandable"???
    Then again, I have been told by some Preachers that they couldn't understand some of my songs because of my southern accent... this is normally the same Preachers who either did not like the use of drums in my performance tracks, or didn't even want me to use tracks or live band,.. they just wanted me and rythum guitar, and every now and then I would throw in a little lick... and that is fine. I understand and respect that, and am happy being a blessing, just me and guitar. But I don't want to be classified as a "Heathen" or my music UnGodly just because the next day, or day after I am invited to a different denomination church and put on a full blown concert! Do not judge me,... let my heart be convicted by Christ if it is not of his will.... (and that I have been)!
    I have had to pull instruments out, or slow it down a bit, because of self-conviction... As it should be.
    I look and hear all the fighting going on between the CCM & SGM industry, and I have to say, "It saddens me"... I thought (as Christians) we were all in this fight together, not against one another.....
    Blessings,
    Bill Babnick
    http://www.billbabnick.com

  96.    Keith Prater ~ 07/29/2005

    The recent turn in this discussion seems to indicate to me that SG has more basic problems to address than what Rick mentioned -- like finding concensus about what SG really is and finding agreement amongst artists, fans and industry professionals. But I would interject something the apostle Paul said in 1 Corinthians: "But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self. For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord. Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God." (1 Cor. 4:3-5)

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  97.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 08/01/2005

    I travelled and sang with a group for several years! We traveled well over 100 days a year! But only a handful were concerts that were really large draws! Most of these dates were a to a handful people in small churches or concert venues! Its a good thing we only had a van and not a bus and we were not all doing this full time! we would have never made it! The mentallity of most churches is that expect you come and sing for nothing-and yes the Lord does provide! But it can get expensive! Right now gas is very expensive and I don't know how the lesser known groups can make it! traveling in a gospel group can be hard enough but if you are trying to pay your members,record projects, drive and maintain a bus and promote your songs! You should think twice about doing this for a full time ministry!

  98.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 09/12/2005

    You are so right with the majority of your article. I liked it UNTIL.. you got to the part where you don't think a group should go after the little homeless people. I know they don't have money to pay top dollar for the groups out there cutting each others throat to get the #1 spot on charts, but you know what??? They have a soul that needs to be reached. If God put you out there in the "ministry", he'll supply the need for finances. You have your entertainers, and you have the groups that would take time out and sing and minister to just one little homeless guy. If I were homeless, I wouldn't want to be entertained, would you? When you don't have anything, entertainment means nothing....but when someone will slow down, (and get their minds off of being in the spotlight at the quartet convention), and minister to someone that has a need, well that just shows who is sincere and who is there for spotlights. It's sort of like the song "You'll never run out of the blood". This world is a dark & lonely place at times, and I want God to use me whether it be for a group of 10,000 or 1 little homeless guy. Wouldn't you?

    In His Service,

    Lisa

  99.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 09/12/2005

    Just a couple quick comments here. One - I worked with the homeless for years Not just an hour at a mission each month but almost every day. They do want to be entertained. Why wouldn't they want that. I can't imagine anyone not enjoying being entertained. Two - Search the Bible for God's definition of music...tain't there. If you call something you don't like devil's music be sure people know that that is your opinion. Third - There is no fighting between SGM and CCM. I have also been in Christian music radio for many years, incl. concerts. I've never heard nor read a CCM performer's saying anything negative about SGM. Many really aren't familiar with it. I have heard SGM fans since 1966ish complain about CCM. BTW I have seldom ever heard a professional SGM performer cut down CCM. Again it's the heart issue.

  100.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 09/13/2005

    Rick Hendrix is not blasting homeless folks. If you read the articles on SoGospel, you would see Rick Hendrix was a homeless runaway in New York in the mid 80's. He has a box in his office to remind him where he came from. I just arrived in Louisville for NQC. Anyone else coming ??

    Dale Embry



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