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BMI-Getting What You Played For

As I sat down to write another column, late as usual, I pondered on my month of rollercoaster disappointments involving the decline of Southern Gospel music. My first thoughts were, we are not getting our fair share of the lucrative music industries pie. Or could it be that we are bigger than the other genres, and politically the big labels are holding us out, and I don't mean the ones your thinking about. I mean Universal, Sony, BMG, Disney, Warner etc. Our entire industry's label sales combined are smaller than what one major label gives away in demos on one project. That will make some folks angry. But, facts are facts. Even the most sought after companies aren't able to move many acts on their roster past 10,000 units a year.

While traveling this month, I sat in on many conversations that didn't involve me. But, I listen and learn. During my visits to New York, Los Angeles and of course meetings here in Nashville, I had a chance to answer some questions the Southern Gospel music writers, labels, publishers and industry leaders have had over these mysterious claims of BMI cutting Southern Gospel writers 60 to 70 percent in their payments for song royalties.

Lets start with the facts, and inform some of our readers of the role BMI, radio, industry, writers, artists etc play in monies folks make from songs they have written. Broadcast Music Incorporated (BMI) has been the home of most Southern Gospel writers and publishers since its inception. Most of the songs you hear on your local radio stations are BMI affiliated songs. The writers are paid a few cents every time that song is played. BMI's job is to monitor and collect those fees on a regular basis from the radio stations, television, Internet or any area the material has been exposed to a listener impression.

Here is the latest round of BMI/Southern Gospel upsets. Writers were notified recently their payments would be significantly dropped. In some cases as much as 70%. This announcement has lead to online campaigns to solicit the President of BMI, a letter writing campaign, writers showing up at their offices demanding answers, online polls and every tactic imaginable to lobby BMI to reinstate its old payment policies. With all the Urban Legends surrounding the mysterious drop in royalties, I decided to listen and educate myself. (Remember this- I have as much to lose as does the other writers-I have written 10 Top 40 songs and a recent #1. But, with that said, I need the facts, not a bunch of wind and accusations.)

I reminded myself of a meeting recently in Washington, DC where a few members of CERTA and I were discussing parental advisories on music and film products. (By the way June is the National Labeling Month for parental advisories and material warnings on video games and music. If your going to let music, TV and video games Nanny your children this summer. Please be advised of the content. Visit http://www.erlam.org for more information.)

Now, on with the show. Sorry, I just like saying that. I miss my old radio days. A very prominent figure (we will call this person "Pat"- Could be male could be female) and I discussed in length the issues surrounding the BMI and Southern Gospel royalties dilemma. I think my mouth remained open for about 2 hours, my eyes began to stare at the ceiling and I began to ponder my next move. I was also sitting there thinking, "I just had a number one song, went through all the junk to promote it, spent my money, label's money and hundreds of hours of man power to be sitting here listening to the actual statistics and numbers to our industries airplay." If I only worked Southern Gospel and depended on the genre solely to provide for my family and employees, we would be hitching a ride out of DC and eating Ramon noodles for Thanksgiving. But, God has blessed me in other areas. So, during flight lay overs, script rewrites and calming of the divas, I made phone calls and visits to find the answers to life in Southern Gospel Land's latest urban Legend "Gospel is being penalized by BMI and rock acts are spending our money."

In the late 80's, early 90's, Billboard Magazine and other media outlets took the guessing out of record sales. All products were bar coded and scanned at retail. What the music industry discovered was Urban and Country music were the biggest sellers. While pop had more marketing muscle, it was the cosmetic successor. That's exactly what has happened at BMI, data is now being used to track actual airplay and spins. And guess what? Southern Gospel has been dipping into other genres pots. For years BMI, in their attempts to lure Gospel writers and build a Christian base, has over compensated Southern Gospel writers, by giving them a percentage of the quarterly take. Those days are over, each genre is paid by its collected royalties, the days of the big pot being split amongst the formats is over. In other words Southern Gospel is not being cut 70%, they are now being paid exactly what they deserve and have earned. BMI has not cast a sad day upon Southern Gospel, or a lost war, its just the facts. With the music industry in a battle for its life, accuracy and accountability are a must for even the largest corporations.

An even greater problem for Southern Gospel which I also learned from BMI is that radio stations can't afford to pay their fees. If BMI cannot collect all of the royalties, then there is no way to disburse the monies to us. So, if Southern Gospel fans are listening to Country and Pop radio, the advertisers aren't going to support Southern Gospel stations. This leaves the owners with poor revenues. If you're a station owner and it's a choice between BMI licenses fees or the light bill, you're probably going to pay the light bill to keep the station from going dark.
So, let's sum it up.

Fact: BMI is not cutting Southern Gospel writers and publishers out of 70% of there hard earned money, they are only paying them what they have honestly accrued in airplay money.

Fact: BMI is a dear friend and fan of Southern Gospel music, they welcome their writers and encourage their success. But, they have to answer to God and a board of directors. They cannot give us monies we have not earned or collected.

Due to my personal involvement with this issue I will leave myself open for comments or questions.

Rick Hendrix
http://www.rickhendrix.com

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Author: RickBHendrix | Author's Website: http://www.rickhendrix.com
Written: 05/31/2005 | Category: Monthly ArticlesLeave No Stone Unturned Comments: 50
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  1.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/04/2005

    WOW- Surely SG is not that bad off. I would hope not.

    DE

  2.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/04/2005

    i too have been concerned about bmi. i have written music and songs for years. i made the most money from musical backgrounds on commercials with bmi. songs are another ballgame. i am sure something can be done to help fix this problem.sounds as if they need more radio and fans.

    GJ Crane

  3.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/04/2005

    I am starting to see why my sister and her family go so discouraged. I wonder where all the money is going. I purhcased a CD this morning for 15.99. My sister told me the price of a CD is about a dollar. Makes you wonder.
    Sue

  4.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/04/2005

    Sue, I'm afraid your sister gave you some erroneous information. While your sister may be able to buy a blank CD for $1.00, a CD filled with music costs far more than $1.00. Recording studios are not cheap, musicians are not cheap, photo shoots are not cheap, graphic designs for covers are not cheap, and I could go on. While duplication may be cheaper than the initial recording, you have to sell a lot of those $15.99 CDs just to get the bill of the recording paid. If your sister can figure out how to get all of the above done for $1.00 per CD, I want her to do our next recording.

  5.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/04/2005

    HOGWASH-its soundslike a bunch of executive decisions have been made and now the excuses are being handed down to the little guys. My group released a song 2 years ago. We got a check from BMI for 6.00. I looked at it and decided to keep my day job.

    Rev. Cecil Smart

  6.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/04/2005

    LOL-Deon- I guess the next Gaither album will be at our Downtown Louisville Dollar Tree- 1.00. Where did that come from. Whats your group name Deon? Or are you a solist?

    Dale Embry

  7.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/04/2005

    OK- I would like a time and location for your sister to take me Cd shopping. Our church just spent 400.00 on acompliment tapes. I sure could use the dollar albums.

    Rev. Cecil Smart

  8.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/05/2005

    Rev. Smart,
    She has her prices wrong. Deon was responding "tongue in cheek"

    Dale

  9.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/05/2005

    Come on Dale, you're forcing me to make a shameless plug. The Sunday Edition - http://www.sundayedition.net

  10.    Jamie Carter ~ 06/05/2005

    This is a shameless plug too...lol but I just done a new project and I wish I could have gotten my Cds for a dollar. After the pictures and duplicationa and recording and traveling to the studio, etc. I was out probably 2000.00 bucks. And that was for 100 Cds and 100 cassettes and I used a studio about 30 miles from my home. SO if my calculations are right I should sell my CD/Cass (at the same price) for 10.00 just to make my money back..and if I place them in a bible book store they have to make a commission, around here that is 2 bucks. SO now the CD is up to 12.00 now if I want radio promotion which can cost 1200.00 for 3 mth. Now the cd is up to $16.00 ( that is with only 3 months of radio promotion. Now if I want to do publicity you looking at even more money per year now the Cd is up to 19.50. And that is just the tip of the iceburg...oh and being is that this articles is about BMI I didn't add they royalities I had to pay for the songwriters...
    So when you think 15.99 is alot to pay for a CD think about what that group pays out~
    Sorry for such a long entry but I think it is some amusing reading anyway LOL!

  11.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/05/2005

    Congratulations Sunday Edition-I read in the news recently, you had your first hit song. I had not a clue that was the same Deon. grin

    IF I had a hit song-there is no such thing as a shameless plug.Theres just jeolous eyes to your success.I've been in this thing before**

    Dale

  12.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/05/2005

    Jamie,
    Thank you for sharing that with us. Its good to see a behind the scenes look at the reality of the cost. It is not cheap doing the music.Where can I hear your music?And I still dont get the whole pay for radio promotions. Can anyone explain that a little better. I have watched Nick say its the anti-Christ, I've seen Mr. Hendrix all but take a bullet for it. I ran a small am in KY, I didnt need anyone telling me what to play or chart.

    Dale

  13.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/05/2005

    I dont understand. I asked my sister again.She said CD plants sometimes charge as little as .50 for a CD. Can anyone explain? I hope prices down South arent that different grin

    Sue

  14.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/05/2005

    Sue, your sister is correct. If you buy 5,000 or 10,000 blank CDs you can probably get them for $1.00 or less, but you have to buy in bulk to get those prices. Now keep in mind that those are just blank CDs no cases or shrink wrap, no music, no voices, nothing except some printing on the CD advertizing the CD company that you are buying the CDs from, and that is very hard to cover when you want to put a label on it. It is really hard to sell a blank CD for $15.99. Most SGM CDs don't sell near 5 or 10 thousand copies, so those prices are not applicable to us. As others have very ably described, there is far more cost to a CD than just buying blank CDs.

  15.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/05/2005

    What about all of the writers like Dee Gaskins, Robert Deel that get no money from the singers.God is watching them too. I guess the singers are fighting for their share, and keeping the writers. I saw a list at one time of the groups that paid their royalties and I could send my songs to- it was less than 5. None of the major artist were on that list. I would rather keep my songs.If BMI and the artist are going to keep the money.I can use them in my local church. But, someone needs to address the artist accountability.

    Julie AV Sizemore

  16.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/05/2005

    I am not sure but at one time, a HOT list was being created to hold these artist accountable.If we are going to fight BMI lets fight the artist. I dont expect anyone to answer any of these questions.They never do.

    Unpaid Writer-

    Julie

  17.    Justin Endicott ~ 06/05/2005

    Here is the bottom line, artist need all of the money they can get. I know the main focus is to minister, but unfortunately in our world it takes a LOT of money to do that. For example I have a song out "I worship You" with Rick Hendrix. He is wonderful but in reality you have to pay for what you get. It isn't free. I agree with Jamie.....15.00 per CD is cheap considering everything that you have to have to keep your ministry going. Also, you have other expenses besides what she listed. (Gas, etc) For example I just had to buy a set of in-ear monitors, I have to have other stuff on top of that. It adds up, but God provides.

  18.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/05/2005

    Justin AMEN- It does cost a lot. My family has spent a lot of money. If they knew the price of traveling,clothes,food,product loss of time at work, they wouldnt mind 15.00 for a CD. I like your song. I heard it on our station in Atoka,OK.Did you write it?

    Renee

  19.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/05/2005

    Its a sad circle.Artist do not pay labels for product, they dont pay writers for songs,no one spends money with radio, radio cant pay BMI,ASCAP,SESAC. I love this biz.But, we have no morals being upheld. People only react when it benefits them.

    Dale

  20.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/05/2005

    Julie, the major artists are all on contracts with labels. It is the label's responsibility to pay those royalties. Now smaller artists are not signed on labels and all those independent recordings need to be paid by the artists themsleves.

  21.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/05/2005

    Lets try and do something nive for people without paybacks.

    Dale

  22.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/05/2005

    Dale, if I knew how to be nive, I would sure do it... LOL

  23.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/05/2005

    Deon, That nive-stands for fat man cant type. I have fingers overlap syndrom LOL

    Dale

  24.    Jamie Carter ~ 06/06/2005

    Dale,
    You can hear my audio clips at http://www.jamiecarter.com Just click on the audio tab or the products tab. Hope ya enjoy!

    **And the person that ask Justin about his song "I worship you" He indeed wrote that! Mr.Hendricks is doing radio promotion!

  25.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/06/2005

    Great article, Rick. Great comments everyone. I am now officially confused about one thing, however: I'm currently an ASCAP-affiliated writer and publisher, but I had considered switching my writer-member affiliation to BMI if it would be beneficial. But as of now, I'm not sure if it matters. ASCAP's royalties are based on mechanical royalties, i.e. actual records sold.
    I think it's apples and oranges because SGM doesn't sell many units but we don't get a lot of airplay either. It's like "Let's pick which way we're gonna starve to death."
    Can any of you out there tell me if it would be better for me to affiliate with BMI? Does it make a difference at this point? What about SESAC... they used to tout themselves as the "Christian" performing rights organization?

  26.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/06/2005

    Our slice of the pie is just too small for anybody to really make a living at this music with the exception of Bill Gaither. The very Christian message that sets our music apart is the "turn off" to most listeners. Let's face it, buddy, as Christian artists we're "Preachin' to the choir."

    Too bad we don't have a movie like "O Brother Where Art Thou" to stimulate interest in our music. The other thing that would help is if we had more artists with CCM crossover appeal like the Imperials back in the 70's and 80's. But then CCM isn't what it used to be. Much of the CCM audience got "spititual" and decided to only listen to Praise and Worship music.

    The Gaither Homecoming phenomenon is what HAS revitalilized this music. I guess you could say that the Gaither series is OUR 'O Brother.' But, as impact from that dies down, where do we go from there?

    One hope may be in tapping in to the country market somehow. Getting some decently-made videos on CMT, for example. If Rascal Flatts can sell massive numbers while looking like Crabb Family castaways (while not singing nearly as well) why can't the Crabb Family?

  27.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/06/2005

    Chris, I feel the entire gospel world is sinking. FAST- I am sure SESAC is not the way to go. A member of my church wrote several released songs under SESAC, they had to call and get their payments. Some qrts were totally missed.

  28.    Keith Prater ~ 06/06/2005

    There are plenty of Christians out there to help the Christian music industry to thrive. We have a ready-made audience every Sunday morninng. There are more people attending church every week than attend movies or go to bars -- or attend country or rock concerts. Yet, at least according to the posts here, we're supposed to be trying to win the lost. The lost are not going to buy our records. It just defies all logic in marketing. There are plenty of Christians who might buy our stuff if we directed our songs to them. Perhaps that is why praise and worship is so popular. Maybe if we targeted our efforts to the right audience -- the church, not the lost or BMI -- maybe we would see some improvement.

  29.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/06/2005

    Good point, Keith. I agree that preaching to the choir is the only way to go as far as finding a niche audience. I think that the only way to wake Christians up so that they realize that they're more out there than Praise and Worship, CCM, and urban Gospel is through agressive concert promotions. We need promoters who can stage an "event" that the local church people will want to go out and see. We can't just confine our big events to the NQC and to Gaither Homecoming concerts. Maybe some good, old fashioned "fests"
    "all-day singings" or whatever. Get new, exciting groups like the Crabb Family and the Isaacs, throw in some legends like the Stamps and the Kingsmen, and some newer legends-in-the-making like Signature Sound and the Dove Brothers,
    then charge something extremely low like $10 a ticket and promote the heck out of the thing. You don't even need radio spots, just some sunday bulletin announcements and some fliers. Get those "street teams" on the move. It WILL work.

  30.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/06/2005

    Why would you ALL be concerned.Its Gods music. The minstry is free.

    Praying for you-

    Jennifer Carpenter

  31.    Young Harmony ~ 06/06/2005

    Rick, thank you for not only researching all of this, but for also caring enough about us as writers to inform us. I am always encouraged by you and The Rick Hendrix Company and I am thankful to be part of what you guys are doing.
    Johnathan

  32.    Justin Endicott ~ 06/06/2005

    Renee,
    Thanks for the kind words. You can hear the song anytime you want at http://www.justinendicott.com

    Just click on products. I did write the song and it was completley from God. It is amazing what he is doing for it. I intended for it to be nothing more than a song from my heart to him.

    I would also like to thank rick for researching this out. You have a good heart for your artist. Proud to be part of what you are doing!!

  33.    Justin Endicott ~ 06/06/2005

    Renee,
    Thanks for your kind words. I did write the song as Jamie said. I intended nothing more than for it to be a cry to God from my heart. Now he is blessing other people with it. PRAISE GOD!!

    You can hear the song anytime you like at http://www.justinendicott.com Just click on products and you can listen to a clip of it.

    Rick,
    I also want to thank you for researching this out for us. You have the heart of your artist at mind. God bless you.

    Justin

  34.    Justin Endicott ~ 06/06/2005

    SORRY YOU GUYS. My computer flubbed up and I thought it didnt post, so I typed it twice. LOL smile

  35.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/07/2005

    Ouch!!! Suddenly I feel like a money changer in the temple!

  36.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/07/2005

    Dear Sue and others:I will give you a breakdown of what a cd cost to complete.$2500 for the musicians,$5000-to $6000 for vocals,studio time, and producer pay then your product is a dollar!!Oh yeah i forgot about graphic design.I'm pretty sure my calculations are right when i say you have $15 in each cd for the first 1000 sold then your ministry can start getting some support financially.Besides what are you griping about these groups are MINISTRIES for our lord and saviour.I'm sure you have no problem going to Applebees and spending $30 for $3 worth of food.So why not support a good cause--CC

  37.    Jamie Rebekkah Carter ~ 06/08/2005

    I was sitting around yesterday and this article came to mind...See what ya think about this...

    TRUE STORY:
    When I made one of my projects, I used a few songs that were listed on BMI and I contacted them re:royalties. They asked how many copies and I told them (it was a small amount less than 400 copies) and I never recieved any information in the mail, like I was told I would, I contacted them again and left a message with no response. I emailed and still no reply.
    So before we bask the little artist that struggle anyway...maybe they tried to pay and had no cooperation? At least that is what happened to me? Now I hope BMI doesn't send me a bill lol but if they do I will gladly pay it.

  38.    Keith Prater ~ 06/09/2005

    Jamie, mechanical royalties are not handled by BMI. You would want to contact the publisher or the Harry Fox Agency about paying the mechanical licenses for your recordings. BMI and ASCAP handle performance rights which are paid by radio stations, concert halls, etc., for the public performance of songs in their catalogs.

  39.    Keith Prater ~ 06/09/2005

    We all could use a good dose of copyright education. And a good place to start would be the United States Copyright office website located at http://www.copyright.gov/.

  40.    Jamie Rebekkah Carter ~ 06/09/2005

    I didn't know that! When I called BMI they told me that the indeed do mechanical licenses..maybe who I spoke with was new or something? But thanks for letting me know that. I do need more education on this topic.

  41.    Q-note ~ 06/09/2005

    Interesting topic(s). From my vantage point, SG music is "dying" because artists, labels, studios, etc. are operating outside of God's will. Think about it...We have artists that can't sing, know little, if any, about music, calling themselves "artists". Is it truly God's will for them to be in this particular area of ministry?

    What about labels, promoters, and studios that are thriving on these very artists for income? Aren't they promoting the illegal and immoral, ethical behavior of these artists (yes, I'm preaching to me, since I was involved in this several years ago until I was "educated" by God). Some of this activity is ignorance on the artist's part, but again, if you DON'T know all of the elements concerning the industry, you need to be educated BEFORE starting that group or making that first recording.

    People, we need to wake up and seek God for our "calling". Just because Aunt Sue likes our singing doesn't make us a SG artist set for the road. Our ministries are NOT going to expand into secular markets, such as country, urban, etc., until we are ALL in God's will. Then, HE WILL TAKE US THERE!!!

  42.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/09/2005

    Rick-

    Another powerful article. My response to this is mixed; as a gospel songwriter who is still anxiously awaiting a first song to be recorded by a "big" group.....I have 2 in the hands of really big SGM groups at the present, and had one that almost made it onto another recent big project.

    That having been said, if money (royalties) are the reason we write, we're missing the boat. I've heard that Bill Gaither built several houses and a recording studio with what he made from "He Touched Me", but it would seem that those songs are once-in-a-lifetime, and those days are over. I'm sure Rodney Griffin, Dianne Wilkinson, Sandy Knight, Kyla Rowland, Gordon Jensen and others, have done very well over the years with the great songs they have written.

    Another motivation might be the "pride" one could get, knowing that a song they wrote had "made it". But...the LORD gave the song, and He hates pride.

    The real 2 motivating factors must be, that the Lord would use the song to see sinners get saved, and/or to see saints get blessed. That would be what Jesus taught: "laying up treasures in Heaven..."

    Thanks for another thought-provoking article. Keep up the good work.

  43.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/12/2005

    Speaking of BMI- This should say how screwed up our charting system is. BMI's most played number one song of the year with more spins than any song last year in Southern Gospel was a song that didnt even make top 5

    Ruppes-Lord It Hurts But Your Still God

    Isnt that weird.How do we explain that??

    Dale

  44.    amy unthank ~ 06/13/2005

    Julie Said: "I would rather keep my songs.If BMI and the artist are going to keep the money.I can use them in my local church."

    Julie, I have to disagree with you. As a writer myself, I would rather the groups have them. You're putting a value on God's gift to many people, with-holding it from some because someone else doesn't have the responsibility to pay their bills.

    I'm affected by BMI's actions, but I can't blame them. I do however know that my songs are touching lives. Had I not let any groups record them (taken your approach), where would my blessings come from?? I can go find another job to pay my bills. It's not about the money (though it is nice when it comes in), it's about the gift God has placed in my lap and how I use it.

  45.    Justin Endicott ~ 06/15/2005

    Way to go Amy. As a songwriter I can't agree with you more. The money is nice and needful, but I wouldn't take a red cent for what God has done through my song.

  46.    Keith Prater ~ 06/15/2005

    I agree with Amy and Justin to an extent. But often, calling this a "ministry" causes people to think that we do not have to be responsible with what we do. Because we call it a ministry, the songwriter does not produce the best song possible. Because we call it a ministry, the singer does not develop his voice. Because we call it a ministry, the musician does not master his instrument. Because we call it a ministry, the record company does not follow ethical business practices when dealing with artists and songwriters. Being in ministry does not mean that less is required of us, it means more is required. If we do less, it is no wonder that BMI's survey methods would barely recognize SG out there. We reap what we sow. I'm glad that the songwriters that have responded are being blessed when the artists sing their songs. But it does not absolve everyone from doing this thing in a responsible and ethical manner.

  47.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/19/2005

    Amy-WAY to GO- I hear this hogwash all the time from artist and writers. But, from you ,I know its true. What a great thing to say. I think the writers have always gotten the bad end of the deal.

    Dale

  48.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/19/2005

    Danny Jones is still eluding to a cover up at BMI.has something else happened since Hendrix article?

  49.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/20/2005

    Dale,
    Singing News is all over the BMI stuff.I guess Danny is late with information.

  50.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 06/20/2005

    So, is sogospelnews grin



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